Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God?

frontpagemag ^ | 11/28/2002 | Serge Trifkovic

[rastus macgill]

MORMONS!

[SouthernFreebird]

Your wrong, Christian and Jews worship the same and only God as do all Christians regardless of demonination.

[ImpBill]

War, not friendship, is mandatory until Islam reigns everywhere. Muslims are ordered to fight the unbelievers, "and let them find harshness in you." They must kill the unbelievers "wherever you find them." The punishment for resistance is execution or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides. By the stage in his life during which these Surras were written, Muhammad was no longer trying to convert his hearers by examples, promises, and warnings; he addresses them as their master and sovereign, praising them or blaming them for their conduct, giving laws and precepts as needed. His raw dogmatism stands, finally, naked of all pretence.

And yet many, even our Prez insist on portraying Islam as a "Religion" of peace. Try as I can, I am incapable of understanding. When will we get to the point that we accept the above? More importantly, at what cost?

[rastus macgill]

Explain Jesus
Plenty more difference but the above covers it

[Dimensio]

Who gives a sh--; shoot them all and sort it out later.

As soon as you start doing this, you'll have a hard time finding them since they'll stop openly practicing their religion. What will you do when that happens? Just guess?

[rastus macgill]

Well said

[Oberon]

I suggest you read T.E. Lawrence's 'The Seven Pillars of Wisdom' to get some better idea of what you are talking about.

I've read Shaw's ponderous effort to exorcise the guilt from his soul for helping Britain use the Arabs so badly, Hashemite booty aside. Furthermore, I know why I posted my crack about covered-dish suppers... it was a humorous jab at Christians, of which I am one. However, I have read over your post to me three times, carefully, and find myself quite unable to discern either your meaning or your purpose in posting.

I wonder if you could run that by me again... and if you would, pretend I'm stupid and connect the dots for me.

[narses]

Ping.

[Ciexyz]

I just finished reading Serge Trifkovic's book "The Sword of the Prophet - The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam", and I recommend it for an insight into the development of Islam and understanding the mindset behind Islam.

Yes, the Muslim concept of God is very different from the Christian view. In Islam, God is distant and unapproachable. God's will must be accepted. You can't reason with him or bargain with him. God does not desire a personal relationship with man. It doesn't sound like an inviting concept to me, but every person to his own thinking. As long as they don't try to blow up an airliner I'm on.

[crystalk]

Allah is childless. Many times the Koran states this.

In the OT, the Jewish God YHWH, says "you are my firstborn. Today I have begotten you."

The New Testament not only calls Jesus the Son of God, but says that we believers are ALL sons or daughters of God, and not just can but SHOULD address him as "Our Father in Heaven..."

A very key point about YHWH is that he wants vendettas and vengeance stopped among his earthly children. "Vengeance is MINE, saith YHWH, and it is I who will repay."

The bitter little vindictive Allah calls all his followers out to shed their blood [and that of their enemies] every time some little human slights his name, as if he should care.

YHWH seems but one notch above us his creatures, and his whole existence is bound up in ours. Allah is ineffably above humans, wants their constant blabber about how great he is ringing in his insecure little ears, but is 1000 times more above them than a human is above an ant.

[EternalHope]

Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God?

NO!

[rastus macgill]

Ample evidence for your contention that Islam does not share the same God With Judaism and Christianity--I agree (for different reasons not exclusive of your post)
Now show me Jews and Christians share the same God
the same texts? Largely Yes excluding the Uh.................. New Testament

[rastus macgill]

You are correct Sir

[skr]

From a non-scholar's point-of-view, no. Judaism and Christianity have the same God, but Christians know Him through the Messiah, whereas Jews are still waiting for His arrival. The Muslims have a historical connection to God but have created a god of their own who has lost all resemblance to the God of Jews and Christians.

[Restorer]

The denial of the Trinity is also explicit: Allah begets not, i.e. he is no Father; and was not begotten, that is, he is no Son; and no one is like him, which means he is no Holy Spirit. "They are infidels who say, Allah is the third of three." But "Isa" is not the Son of Allah, only a special prophet, and the Christians’ contrary claim shows how they are perverted. The Christians are guilty of blasphemy because of their belief in the "trinity" of Allah, Mary, and Jesus.

Of course, Jews equally reject the idea of the Trinity. Their most important doctrine is, "The Lord is One."

Does this mean they worship a different God? At the very least it means they define him differently.

A great many Christians, especially conservative Protestants, have gotten very chummy with Jews lately. I've noticed remarkably little reciprocation from Orthodox Jews, in doctrinal compromise or willingness to accept Christians as brothers.

[CanisMajor2002]

At the risk of being flamed None of these religons share the same God.I am not sure all Christian sects share the same God .
All three faiths do share geographical cultural and textual elements.

Not a flame...maybe a slow roast, like coffee... :)

You've got a burden of proof here that you haven't met.

I can go to a Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist, Roman Catholic, et. al., and pick up roughly the same Bible and read about the same triune God. The translations vary, but that's because we aren't fluent in Hebrew and Greek. :) Granted, there are indeed procedural differences, i.e. where in the church women can serve, what constitutes Holy Communion, etc, but that doesn't change that all Christians believe that, having seen the divine law that we are supposed to live by, have fallen short, and need to ask God through his Son, Jesus Christ, for forgiveness of our sins, so that we may enter Heaven.

• ...for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, --Romans 3:23
• Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. --John 14:6

Among said denominations are also common creeds that point out significant, undisputed events that Christians believe. Such an example is the Apostle's Creed, which I've personally recited in Lutheran and Catholic churches.

Given these commonalities it would to seem to me quite difficult to argue that Christian denominations worship different Gods.

[ex-Texan]

NowayJose ....

[mathurine]

If all of them are shot, I suppose they will, perforce stop practicing by virtue of decedent status, their religion, the purpose of which, evidently has been to destroy everyone who is not of their belief. It would be better if the mohammedans stopped practicing their murderous religion immediately, but if they want it bad, and they obviously do want it bad, to have it out with the rest of the world, the mohammedans are going to lose here on earth, and what comes after for them doesn't look too good either and never did.

[annflounder]

Anyway, to paraphrase the Rush Limbaugh parody of James Carville denouncing Ken Starr for tormenting Susan McDougall in her jail cell with brain waves...let's send "good vibrations" to the Muslims and occasion the world wide rejection of their faith, and conversion to better religions...

If there really are a billion muslims on this planet, than somebody has a hell of a lot of work to do. That's one billion people in desparate need of conversion to some more rational religion, like maybe voodoo, santaray, rastifari.....