Man Implicates Seagal in Probe: FBI Arrests Clinton Private Investigator Pellicano

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[MonroeDNA]

In Black Belt magazine, around 15 years ago, a small add apeared in the back.

It issued a challenge: a no-rules fight until the loser gives up or is dead. Winner gets 100k.

The add raised a storm, and martial artists protested. Bad for the industry, etc.

Secretly they were scared.

The challenge was by Gracie Ju-Jitsu, the amazing family from Brazill. It led to The Ultimate Fighting Contest. Where the Gracies won the first few years. UFC 1, 2, 3 available at blockbuster.

Never got beyond green belt in Aikido, Tae Kwan Do, or Gojo-Ru (Okinaowan "hard" Karate). Learned to shoot & carry instead.

Gojo-Ru made us break boards in mid air, with fist. Tough on the knuckles.

[4Freedom]

I can empathize. Martial Arts like Tae Kwan Do and Gojo-Ru are hard on the body. You pay for all of that abuse later on in life.

I tried Shoto-Kan Karate and Tae Kwan Do before I found Kali.

Not that I don't agree that it's great to have a gun, but there are many times when just a stick will do.

[struggle]

hah! i laugh at your buffalos support! HANSHIN TIGERS!!!!

[RLK]

Didn't Seagal's ex-wife Kelly LeBrock of the movie "Weird Science" divorce him because he used her as a punching bag?

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I suspect Seagal's ego is so big it doesn't leave room in his life for other people. He is also getting dingy, which is hard to live with day to day.

Some of these people are unstable. Van Damm has been married five times as of a while back. He goes through a wife about every two years including a year to find a new one.

[RLK]

Those type skills require a certain youth, and constant training, while the relaxed and reactive circular parrying and locking and throwing styles like Aikido are effective years after training, even when older. They become relexive, so that an unexpected attack (a sucker punch) is dealt with from deep instinctive memory without warming up, stretching, getting into a stance and so on.

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I'll offer a bot of advice from someone who has been places he wishs he never been and seen things he wishes he never seen. There have been times I've wondered if I'm fit to associate with decent people because of it.

The business of a 98 pound weakling defeating a 200 pound man by using his own strength against him with Asian arts is a myth that will get you killed in a serious situation. If you are going to get in a tussle with the big boys, particularly if the have knives, clubs, or whatever, you need to be able to move fast and deliver a single incapacitating blow. That takes STRENGTH and training. I know how to break a person's spine, neck, or arm if he grabs me. I know a few nerve holds. None of these are generally known to the average person. The moves are not particularly taxing. They require speed. They require more force than you might expect. Those two factors are the result of power training. There's no substitute for it.

[ApesForEvolution]

Caption for pic: "And don't you forget, I know the devil..very well."

[afraid]

I am a fan of martial arts movies, mostly from hong kong.
As far as the real deal goes i know Jet Li in his younger days did well in competition matches. I think he would get more respect in his movies if he kept away from the wire work. Jackie Chan, Sammo Hung, Yuen Biao were never trained from what i remember.

The best martial art movie i have seen would be The Prodigal Son with sammo hung, yuen biao and Lam Ching Ying. Some great
fights, with none of the wire work. Great stuff.

Not much to say about Segal, i HATE crap, overedited american martial arts movies. I hold his movies in the same regard as the Karate Kid.

[4Freedom]

Eyes, nose, throat, balls and then ears. You don't have to kill someone to incapacitate them, control them or escape.

You don't have to be Bruce Lee to poke someone in the eye or smash them in the nose.

Learn to handle a stick and then carry a cane.

The few people that can defend against a barrage of 3 to 5 verticle 'florettas' (flowers) delivered with a cane or rattan stick wouldn't be attacking you anyway.

Anyone can learn to swing a cane in a small back-handed, verticle, circular motion stopping their arm motion with the palm of their opposite hand at base of the biceps and elbow joint on the inside of the upper arm.

Anyone can learn to fire three rapid fire swings in a single second.

Anyone has the endurance to keep firing for 10 to 15 seconds while moving forward, backward or to either side. Any part of the body struck by the tip or any part of the last 3rd of the stick or cane, that's traveling the circumference of a circle 12 to 18 feet in diameter in a 3rd of a second, really hurts like hell.

With a little practice if you put a small strip of reflective tape on the tip of your stick, all your attacker will see is a blur of color.

Mix your strikes up with figure 8's and 'abanicos' (fan strikes) and you're bound to hit something that's going to take a long time to heal.

Your Grandma and Grandpa can learn to swing a stick like this.

[4Freedom]

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[Quilla]

I am a fan of martial art movies and enjoyed Seagal's early movies - Above the Law, Hard to Kill, Out for Justice, Marked for Death, and the two Under Siege movies. He does appear to have let himself go and I believe Jet Li could give him a serious (series) run for his money.

But something about this story doesn't ring right with me. It is public knowledge that Seagal was originally backed financially by Nasso as evidenced by the $60 million lawsuit against the actor. Even the $150,000 per film "tax" extortion ploy has been exposed. A Google search provides hundreds of hits on this mob connection. So what does Seagal have to gain by intimidating another reporter who may write about the scandal?

IMO, the Gotti's are trying to portray the portly actor in a bad light before the upcoming extortion trial. Pellicano is not an honorable man (hence the association with Clinton) and would easily serve two masters. I think Gotti/Nasso are the one's who hired Pellicano and Proctor. Proctor owed the mob $14K and was hired out for $10K - which probably just reduced his principle. I wonder how long he owed them the money and how much interest has accumulated.

[4Freedom]

Good theory.

I believe the accusation is that Seagal engineered the attack on the reporter to blame it on the mob and make them appear more guilty and ruthless.

I believe the doubt that all of these counter accusations will create in the judge's mind will be enough to affect his decision.

I agree, Jet Li is fun to watch and would be a formidable opponent on the street, or against an overweight and out of shape Seagal.

One of my favorite martial arts movies is 'The Hunted' with Christopher Lambert, Yoshio Harada, Joan Chen, John Lone and Yukio Shimada. Have you seen it?

The sword play by Yoshio Harada was among the most realistic I've ever seen on film. I've never been able to find Yoshio Harada in another film.

[Quilla]

No, I haven't seen The Hunted but will definitely ask for at the video rental shop. Thanks for suggesting it. Maybe this will help you locate another Harada film:

Yoshio Harada - Filmography

• The Mystery of Rampo (1995)
• The Hunted (1995)
• Komikku Zasshi Nanka Irani (1987)
• Umi Isubame Joe No Kiseki (1984)
• Onibi: The Fire Within
• Last Frankenstein
• The Girl of the Silence
• Yumeji
• Hakuchi
• Nijusseiki Shonen Dokuhon
• Roningai
• Dotsuitaru nen
• Umihooziki
• Suri
• Party 7

[4Freedom]

Thanks for the list. He's only made one film since 'The Hunted', or is it possibly the list is incomplete?

[Quilla]

Further searches indicate the list is indeed incomplete; however, I can only find a couple of titles to add. (The Ninja Dojo, Trail of Blood - 1979 and Pickpocket - 2000.) When I'm at home and on dial-up as opposed to at the office with a cable connection, searching is a slow process.

One thing in your previous post caught my attention. You said "I agree, Jet Li is fun to watch and would be a formidable opponent on the street...." I believe you just gave yourself away as the words 'formidable opponent' would be my last choice in describing the encounter. :)

[bvw]

Thanks for the info.

[Travis McGee]

Amen brother, well said.

[4Freedom]

Feet, ankles, shins, knees - fingers, knuckles, wrists, elbows.

They gotta offer 'em out there as targets in order to attack you, even Jet Li.

Patience, shatter one little bone at a time.

They eventually add up.

[Travis McGee]

The problem is that your forceful strength and speed training will not be with you when you have been away from your dojo a decade.

The reflexive moves of Aikido will, and I have used them in real life quite well. Not to the total and elaborate end moves on the ground, but sufficiently well to avoid punches and grabs and cast the attackers away from me onto their faces, and that has been enough. And that is without stretching, warming up, gettig focused, getting into a proper fighting stance etc.

[RLK]

How many serious attempts have you had made upon your life in civilian life by rugged people capable of doing it?

[4Freedom]

If you mean by serious, where the motive was more than just let's see who's tougher or robbery? Where I believed they wanted to severely injure me or leave me for dead? Situations where I didn't have a weapon or any back-up? Me or them? Where I couldn't talk my way out of it.

Only two come to mind that I still think about from time to time.

In these two incidents there was more than pride or money on the line.

How about you?