Posted on 11/22/2002 9:53:46 AM PST by dts32041
Get lost. I have no desire to live in a theocracy.
The fact that this bill passed blows my mind but I was under the impression that it dated back to clinton and I view it as more of a political (albeit a bad one) move rather than a tactical move.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Best Regards,
I haven't heard that one. I have heard it alleged that much of the Patriot Act was provisions that the Reno Justice Department had been seeking for years.
it just feels better when a Republican is trampling your Constitutional Rights!
You nailed it. Most FReepers desperately want the GOP to do to them what they feared from the 'RATS. They only want power, and they are willing to live in a police state to get it.
When the mestizo tidal wave of voters in elementary schools permanently install 'RATS in power, these same FReepers will cry foul because they were too stupid to understand that when you give the government power, that power does not vanish when the "good guys" leave office.
The more tools we give the Pubbies, the more tools the 'RATS will have to club us with when they get it back.
His main attitude was that these new authorities given to Ashcroft are necessary given our war against Al Quaida, and if history is any guide, will not become a permanent fixture.
That works right up until the gov't embarks on an endless war against a faceless enemy.
Not that that has happened....
Only when the first ten Amendments are replaced with the Ten Commandments will this country truly be God's country. It's a slow, painful process, but we're finally heading in the right direction.
When Jesus runs the country, I'll be with you. Until then, I'll take the Bill of Rights over a bunch of clerics determining who is in favor and who is out.
BTW, God has no obligation to bless the USA. It is modeled on Isreal's greatest oppressor of all time. The Ten Commandments are personal laws, not the laws of the land. The USA is never going to stand in judgment - only her citizens.
I have heard it alleged that much of the Patriot Act was provisions that the Reno Justice Department had been seeking for years.
Yes. The Justice Dept has been trying to get roving wire taps for years. Then, last summer, JA danced in the blood of 9/11 and got them.
Guess what? They are not for tracking terrorists. They are for tracking you, and your money.
Not to worry...the Pubbies will never abuse the power, and will be in power FOREVER!!!!
NO it is the power granted. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. I am not too worried about what Ashcroft will do with his new found powers. Can't say I am too impressed with him, but I don't think he is as dangerous as the next Democrat Attorney General will be.
People in government use every bit of power they have to further their goals. If their goals are the same as yours, you tend not to mind. Just remember that they will not always have the same goals as you. Only fools give government unlimited power over their lives. The constitution and bill of rights is all about limiting the power of government.
Trust Ashcroft if you like but what are you going to do when Ashcroft is gone?
In other words, you cannot cite a section, and therefore put me in the position of trying to prove a negative. I counter by saying that I have seen nothing in the HSA that provides for what you posted, but I'm still reading it. If I find something, I will post it. If I don't, then you have to decide whether a negative has been proven. It would be a lot faster if you would e-mail those sources and ask them to provide a section they are referencing.
Until then, I'll stand by what I have read, and posted from Multiple sources.
Well, if you had read Safire, Gertz, Boortz and Doug Thompson, you would be convinced that HSA authorized TIA and it was a done deal. You would have been wrong. I'm no longer trusting these guys to give me the straight story - it took a week, but my researched opinion that Safire was wrong last week has been confirmed (in the meantime, I was again proving a negative) - unfortunately, his allegations have taken on a life of their own.
Sheesh... go live in Iran. They have a Theocracy there. I am sure you will be very happy. Their jack booted thugs persecute in the name of God. You can see how happy the people are.
Remember that the DC Snipers' plates were logged at road blocks after several of the shootings and yet there still was no connection as to who was doing the shootings (quite a coincidence there to always be at the scene of the crime).
The potential for this legislation does not make me happy but it's all what they do with it. A better security bill would focus of border security, driver's license fraud, technical training, etc.
I agree. Go, John, go!
You still misunderstand. All power granted is used/abused. Whither you see it as being used or abused tends to depend on whither it is being used against you or not.
In your case you will likely see Ashcroft as using his powers wisely and any Democrat successor as wildly abusing their powers.
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