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SMALLPOX AND FORCED VACCINATION: WHAT EVERY AMERICAN NEEDS TO KNOW
National Vaccine Information Center ^ | Winter 2002 | Barbara Loe Fisher, Editor

Posted on 11/16/2002 6:07:00 PM PST by FormerLurker

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To: sinkspur
He's been on FR for the past month, complaining about H1-Bs and blaming them for his job loss.

For a MONTH? You've obviously never seen my profile page. Try over 3 years sinsupur. You should know that from our previous encounters...

This dude is weird. Would you let him work for you?

Well you're all for flooding the US with Pakistani and Chinese "workers". I think I can guess as to why...

241 posted on 11/17/2002 2:19:58 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: sinkspur
Since you bring up the subject, perhaps we should look into THAT a little bit here...

Immigration fraud 'out of control' - General Accounting Office slams INS for rampant problems

From the above link:

The General Accounting Office has concluded that immigration fraud is rampant, even helping to open the door for terrorism, and that the Immigration and Naturalization Service has no idea how to get it under control.

In a report released Feb. 15, GAO concluded that immigration benefit fraud is "pervasive and significant and will increase as smugglers and other criminal enterprises use fraud as another means of bringing illegal aliens, including criminal aliens, into the country."

And a bit more info on the subject..

INS, GAO say immigration benefit fraud is pervasive

Perspectives: on U.S. GAO’S report on immigration fraud

242 posted on 11/17/2002 3:14:22 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: Coleus
You are either a liberal democrat or a shiil for them.

Is it only coincidence that the liberal democrat Senator from Michigan, Debbie Stabenow, rose during Friday morning's Senate debate on homeland security to make the EXACT statements you parrot?

Not even liberal senator Feinstein agrees with these idiots!
243 posted on 11/17/2002 3:31:31 PM PST by bonesmccoy
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To: bonesmccoy
What is it exactly that you are disputing in relation to this topic?
244 posted on 11/17/2002 3:44:36 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
Well you're all for flooding the US with Pakistani and Chinese "workers". I think I can guess as to why...

Actually, I'm not. But I also don't blame them for things that might happen to me. Unlike you.

Opposing flouride and smallpox vaccinations put you firmly in the kook category.

Whining is your forte on FR.

245 posted on 11/17/2002 3:57:05 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Actually, I'm not. But I also don't blame them for things that might happen to me. Unlike you.

Tell the hundreds of thousands of IT workers who can't find work that the H1-B program hasn't affected them. The false claims of a labor shortage made by ITAA to Congress ring loudly in your words..

Opposing flouride and smallpox vaccinations put you firmly in the kook category.

So I suppose the most prominent scientists and researchers on this planet are also in the "kook" category?

Whining is your forte on FR.

And the debunking of any important information that might be posted here on FR is yours.

246 posted on 11/17/2002 4:09:25 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
So I suppose the most prominent scientists and researchers on this planet are also in the "kook" category?

They're not "the most prominent," since "the most prominent" actually find nothing wrong with flouride or smallpox vaccinations.

Most of those complaining are kooks, like you, or like the author of this piece, who's got a kid with problems and is looking for somebody with deep pockets.

I never look at what people say; I look at why they say it.

I'd bet you read THE NEW AMERICAN. Am I right?

Did NASA actually land men on the moon, or was it all filmed in a Hollywood studio?

247 posted on 11/17/2002 4:15:05 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: LibertarianInExile
"However, at least the regular schools won't let their children into classrooms next to my kids, where they pose a disease threat to all the other children."

I didn't say this. The Engineer did. Post 8. I was responding to this in my post. I said here in AZ unvaccinated kids could go to class. We just have to sign a waiver.

"I'd love to see your explanation why kids whose bodies are vaccinated should then have anything to fear from kids who aren't. Isn't that the POINT of the vaccination? Sheesh"

I think this is also meant for The Engineer. And I agree with you. :) Thanks. vg

248 posted on 11/17/2002 4:17:43 PM PST by valleygal
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To: sinkspur
They're not "the most prominent," since "the most prominent" actually find nothing wrong with flouride or smallpox vaccinations.

Well then, why don't you find me a link to show where ANY reputable scientist says that there's nothing wrong with fluoride. I'll post SOME of those that are OPPOSED to it..


 

Esteemed Voices have, for 50 years, warned
the American public that water fluoridation
has dangerous long-term consequences to health

 
"I am appalled at the prospect of using water as a vehicle for drugs. Fluoride is a corrosive poison that will produce serious effects on a long range basis. Any attempt to use water this way is deplorable."
Dr. Charles Gordon Heyd,
Past President of the American Medical Association.


"fluoridation ... it is the greatest fraud that has ever been perpetrated and it has been perpetrated on more people than any other fraud has. "
Professor Albert Schatz, Ph.D. (Microbiology),
Co-Discoverer of streptomycin

Join voices with the following medical professionals
who see fluoride as a health hazard.

William Marcus, Ph.D., D.A.B.T. (Toxicology), former U.S. EPA, Senior Science Advisor, Office of Drinking Water.*
Albert W. Burgstahler, PH.D. (Organic Chem, Environ. Fluoride)
Robert J. Carton, Ph.D. (Environ. Sciences and Risk Assessment).
Paul Connett, Ph.D. (Environmental Chemistry and Toxicology).
Richard Foulkes, M.D., fmr. Consult. to Health Minstr., BC, Canada

J. William Hirzy, Ph.D. (Chem and Risk Assess) Sr.VP, NFFE,EPA
Robert L. Isaacson, Ph.D. (Neurobehavioral Science). Dist. Prof.
Prof. David C. Kennedy, D.D.S., Inter. Acad. Oral Med. and Toxicology.
Harold D. Kletschka, M.D., F.A.C.S.(finr. Chair. of Bio-Medicus,Inc)
Lennart Krook, D.V.M., Ph.D. (Pathology) Cornell Univ.and NYSC.

Richard A. Kunin, MD., Pres., Soc. for Orthomolecular Hlth.Medicine
Gene W. Miller, Ph.D. (Biochemistry and Toxicology).
Phyllis Mullenix, Ph.D. (Pharmacology and Neurotoxicology)
John Colquhoun, BDS, MPhIL Ph.D., DipEd., Prin. Dent. Ofc. NZ.
John A.Yiamouyiannis, Ph.D. (Biochemistry)

A. K. Susheela, Ph.D., F.A.Sc., F.A.M.S. (Histocryochemistry)
Benedict J. Gallo, Ph.D.(Botany). Research Mcrobiologist.
Norman R. Mancuso,Ph.D. (Chemistry) Apollo Project Scientist.
Andrew Berna-Ificks, Hazardous Substance Engineer, Cal EPA.
Jason Kupperschmidt, B.C. (Chem. Engr)

Rudolph Ziegelbecker, Ph.D. (Phys.) Inst. of Environ Hlth.Austria
M.A. Krikker M.D., Hemochromatosis Found, Albany, N.Y.
Dean Burk, Ph.D. (Biochemistry) former Senior Chemist and
Director Cytochemistry Section, National Cancer Institute.
Harold Warner, Prof Of Research; Chief, Biomedical Engineer Div.

Sheila L. M. Gibson, M.D., B.Sc., M.F. Hom. (Research Physician)
James B. Patrick, Ph.D. (Chemistry) , Antibiotics Research.
I. R. B. Mann, Senior Lecturer in Environ. Studies, U. of Auckland.
Bruce J. Spittle, Ph.D., Psycho. Med., U. of Otago Med. Sch., NZ
George L. Waldbott, MD., fndr. Inter Soc for Fl. Res. and J. Fluoride

Alfred Taylor, Ph.D, Research Scientist, Clayton Fnd. Biochem. Inst.
Ludwik Gross, M.D, fmr Chief of Cancer Res. Vet. Admin, N.Y.
Dr. Daniel Zaskin, Chf. Diagnostician, Columbia Sch of Dental Surg.
Geoffrey E. Smith, L.D.S., R.C.S. Dental Surgeon.
Philip R- N. Sutton, D.D.Sc., L.D.S., F.R.A.C.D.S.

Brian A. Dementi~ Ph.D. (Biochemistry and Toxicology)
John P. Flaherty, Chief Justice, Supreme Court of Pennsylvania
Simon Beisler, M.D., Chief of Urology, Roosevelt Hosp. N.Y.
Fred Squier, M.D., Head of Oral Surgery, Lenox Hill Hosp. N.Y.
John Garlock, M.D., Consulting Surgeon, Mt. Sinai Hosp. N.Y.

Edgar A. Lawrence, M.D., Dir. of Medicine, Lenox Hill
Girard F. Oberrender, M.D., Dir. of Otolaryngology, Lenox Hill
Frederick B. Exner, M.D. Fellow of the Am. Coll. Of Radiology.
Charles C. Bass, M.D., Dean Emeritus, Tulane Univ. Med. Sch.
Alton Ochsner, M.D., head, Dept of Surgery, Tulane Univ. Med. Sch.

Alfred I Murray, M.S.T. (Chemistry).
Mark Diesendorf, Ph-D. (Mathematics).
John J. Miller, Ph.D. (Biochemistry)
Paul I-L Phillips, Ph.D. (Biochemistry)
Kaj Roholm, M.D., Ph.D. (Biochemistry)

Hubert A. Arnold, Ph.D. (Math) UCDavis
James W. Benfield, A.B., D.D.S., F.A.C.D.
Eugene Peterson, Ph.D. (Chem.Engr.) UCB.
Cornelius Steelink, Prof Erner. Chem.
John Thomson, Ph.D. (Biochemistry)

D. Skinner, B. Sc., MD. C.A.F.C.I.
Richard Marrus, Ph.D. (Physics) UCBerkely
Laura Nader, Ph.D. (Anthropology)UCB
D. W. Hanson, Ph.D. (Chem. Engr.)UCB
C. J. King, Ph.D. (Chem. Engr.)UCB

J. B. Neilands, Ph.D. (Biochemistry)UCB
Giovanni Ames, Ph.D. (Biochem.) UCB
John R. Lee, M.D. (Physician)
J. C. Smart, Ph-D. (Chemistry) UCB
Gerard F. Judd, Ph.D. (Chemistry)
Gerson Jacobs, MD.
Michael F. Ziff, D.D.S..
Harvey Petraborg, MD.

Robert I H. Mick, D.D.S. E. R- Cooper, M.D.
C. T. Betts, D.D.S.
I E. Waters, D.D.S.
Allen London, D.D.S.
Edward A. McLaughlin, M.D.

Philip E. Zafagna, M.D.
George W. Heard, D.D.S.
Charles Dillon, D.D.S., L.D.S.
S. Leslie A. Russell, D.M.D. (dentist)
Casimir R. Sheft, D.D.S.

Jonathan Forman, M.D.
Ross Pringle, D.D.S.
A. B. MacWhimiie, D.D.S.
A.C. Baumann, D.D.S.
Kirk Youngman, D.M.D.

L. A. Alesen, M.D.
Paul W. Sheeran, D.M.D.
Thomas F. Evans, D.D.S.
Robert Davis, D.D.S.
William I Filante, MD.

Joyal W. Taylor, D.D.S.
Michael Ohnstad, D.D.S.
Sheridan B. Manasen, D.D.S
Scott McAdoo, D.D.S.
Tony Lees, B.D.S. Dentl Surgn

Frederick W. Howe, D.D.S.
Ellsworth D. Foreman, D.M.D.
Robert D. Stephan, D.D.S.
Carl Mestman, D.D.S.
Hans Moolenburgh, M.D.

Peter Mansfield, M.D.
William F. Corell, M.D.
F. Logan Stanfield, M.D.
Julian Whitaker, MD.
Robert C. Atkins, M.D.

James A. Paar, M.D.
Kenneth H. Rudolph, M.D.
Jonathan Wright M.D.
John McDougall, MD.
Steven M. Rachlin, M.D.

John R. Lilliendahl, Jr. D.D.S.
Hal A. Huggins, D.D.S.
Herbert H. Robinson, D.D.S.
James P. Hammond, MD.
Philip Sukel, D.D.S.

Deloss E. Winkler, Ph.D. (Chem.)
Andrew Weil, M.D., Health Advocate
Thomas M. DeStefimo, A.B., D.D.S.
Harlee S.Strauss, Ph.D. (Molecular Biology)
Geoffrey Dobbs, Ph.D. (Botony) A.R.C.S.

Frederick I. Scott, B.E., M.S., Chem. Engr.
Thomas D. Hinesly, Prof. of Soil Ecology
Roy E. Hanford, MD. (Phys. and Surgeon)
Stanley Monteith, MD., ret. Ortho. Surgeon.
G. A. Samotjoi, Ph.D. (Chemistry) UCB

Henry Cheung, Ph.D. (Chem. Engr.)Alexis T Bell, Ph.D. (Chem. Engr.)UCB

* Above affiliations are listed for identifications purposes only and do not imply institution endorsement


Some more info and links on fluoride..

EPA Scientists oppose Fluoridation

Scientific Studies

Scientific Facts on the Biological Effects of Fluorides

Notable Quotes from Research Scientists and Medical Organizations

Respected Medical Professionals and Scientists are warning that water fluoridation has dangerous long-term health consequences.

249 posted on 11/17/2002 4:33:59 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: sinkspur
As far as the evidence of problems with the vaccine, refer to the CDC page I posted for info on that. Also look into the info I posted in relation to Thimerosal, as it appears that the vaccine might contain that as well.

Are you saying that those doctors and researchers are "kooks ? Even the CDC?

250 posted on 11/17/2002 4:38:04 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: sinkspur
Most of those complaining are kooks, like you, or like the author of this piece, who's got a kid with problems and is looking for somebody with deep pockets.

The only "kooks" here are people like you that don't mind consuming brain damaging toxins. Perhaps that explains what your problem is.

251 posted on 11/17/2002 4:40:40 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
Flouride has been in use since 1945. It's been in most water supplies for well over a generation.

Where is the evidence that it is detrimental? Healthier teeth is all I see from its use.

You didn't answer my questions. Do you read THE NEW AMERICAN? Do you believe that NASA landed men on the moon?

252 posted on 11/17/2002 4:43:48 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Where is the evidence that it is detrimental? Healthier teeth is all I see from its use.

Er, are you that dense that you can't read English? I've posted a multitude of links on THAT VERY evidence. Try not to swallow the toothpaste when you brush sinkspur, it's not good for your BRAIN...

253 posted on 11/17/2002 4:50:27 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: valleygal
It's been reported that Gulf War Syndrome is really just reaction to the Anthrax vaccine. British soldiers were not given the vaccine and have not suffered from GWS.

Actually, I'm pretty sure the story is according to Capt. Joyce Riley that the British and US troops were giving the does and the French were not. Accordingly, both the Brits and Americans are suffering from GWS and the Frenchies are not. I first heard this a couple of years ago and have not kept up enough with the info to know if this has been confirmed or not. Would be interseted if anyone has an update.
254 posted on 11/17/2002 4:54:35 PM PST by tang-soo
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To: FormerLurker
Er, are you that dense that you can't read English? I've posted a multitude of links on THAT VERY evidence.

They're all kooks.

You still didn't answer my questions. Do you read THE NEW AMERICAN? Do you believe that NASA landed men on the moon?

If you don't answer, I must assume that you DO read the Birchite rag, and that you are one of those who think the moon landings were filmed in a Hollywood studio.

255 posted on 11/17/2002 4:55:07 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
You didn't answer my questions. Do you read THE NEW AMERICAN? Do you believe that NASA landed men on the moon?

I can't say I've read that publication there Mr. sink. Is that something that you read when you're not posting on FR?

As far as the moon, well hey, I always THOUGHT they did, why? Is there something you want to tell us about THAT too?

256 posted on 11/17/2002 4:55:13 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: sinkspur
They're all kooks.

BWAHAHAHAAA. Right. Someone called sinkspur has just called the CDC, the AMA, hundreds of prominent researchers including microbiologists, biophysicists, chemists, doctors, surgeons, and other well-respected and imminent individuals and organizations "kooks".

And yet, this sinkspur person has not posted ONE iota of information or evidence contradicting what those "kooks" have to say.

Right. Keep right on brushing there Mr. sink...

257 posted on 11/17/2002 4:59:49 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: tang-soo
"Actually, I'm pretty sure the story is according to Capt. Joyce Riley that the British and US troops were giving the does and the French were not."

Thank you for correcting me if I misspoke. I had heard it was the Brits who had not been vaccinated. (Wonder if Mad Ivan knows?) :) Will try to find the story again later (on my way out ) and anything else I can on the Anthrax vaccine. Thanks.

258 posted on 11/17/2002 5:04:58 PM PST by valleygal
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To: tang-soo
I first heard this a couple of years ago and have not kept up enough with the info to know if this has been confirmed or not. Would be interseted if anyone has an update.

Possible Link Between the Administration of Multiple Thimerosal Containing Vaccines, Stress Induced Increases in Blood-Brain Barrier Permeability and Gulf War Syndrome

Gulf War Syndrome - Gulf War Illness

259 posted on 11/17/2002 5:09:30 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
So, the CDC and the AMA has a problem with flouride? Must not be much of one, as this is the first I've heard of it. You can bet that, if any low-income people were suffering from fluoride poisoning, not only would there be a flood of lawsuits, but we'd be hearing about it from the Democrats.

You have a nice day there, pal, brushing your tooth with baking soda.

260 posted on 11/17/2002 5:12:01 PM PST by sinkspur
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