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SMALLPOX AND FORCED VACCINATION: WHAT EVERY AMERICAN NEEDS TO KNOW
National Vaccine Information Center ^
| Winter 2002
| Barbara Loe Fisher, Editor
Posted on 11/16/2002 6:07:00 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
The groups you mention would fit in well, yes.
You are smearing yourself with your posts.
Your overt propagandizing will be addressed as well as your hijacking of this web site for your lunatic fringe rantings.
To: Coleus
you're either terribly misinformed or a nut case.
Get vaccinated. EOM
To: Amelia
According to the CDC:
No harmful effects have been reported from thimerosal at doses used in vaccines, except for minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site. Well that show's us that we can't believe everything the CDC says..
The link I posted in post # 6 is a report from the University of Calgary. I'll post again here for your convenience.
How Mercury Causes Brain Neuron Degeneration
First of all, it's thimerosal. According to the FDA, it's been used since the 1930's but most vaccines now have little or none.
You may want to read the information provided at the following website...
Toxicity of Thimerosal An Organic Mercurial Added To Vaccines
From the above link:
Iatrogenic exposure to mercury after hepatitis B vaccination in preterm infants. Stajich GV, Lopez GP, Harry SW, Sexson WR. J Pediatr (2000) May; 136(5):679-81
(10802503) Thimerosal, a derivative of mercury, is used as a preservative in hepatitis B vaccines. We measured total mercury levels before and after the administration of this vaccine in 15 preterm and 5 term infants. Comparison of pre- and post-vaccination mercury levels showed a significant increase in both preterm and term infants after vaccination. Additionally, post-vaccination mercury levels were significantly higher in preterm infants as compared with term infants. Because mercury is known to be a potential neurotoxin to infants, further study of its pharmacodynamics is warranted.
In fact, here's a list of material that you might want to look into.
Selected Studies on the Toxicity of Thimerosal Published in Peer Reviewed Scientific and Medical Journals
To: Amelia
If you'll read the home page, Dr. Mercola's site seems to be devoted to selling his health plan and products, all available in his on-line store. That tends to weaken his credibility with me. It's not just Dr. Mercola telling us this obviously.
To: tallhappy
Your overt propagandizing will be addressed as well as your hijacking of this web site for your lunatic fringe rantings. And your overt smear tactics are duly noted and recorded.
To: FormerLurker
Your overt propagandizing will be addressed Buy the way, is that a THREAT?
To: bonesmccoy
you're either terribly misinformed or a nut case. Read the thread then perhaps YOU won't be the one who's terribly misinformed...
To: Amelia
If you'll read the home page, Dr. Mercola's site seems to be devoted to selling his health plan and products, all available in his on-line store. That tends to weaken his credibility with me. This shows that you obviously didn't look very hard at his website. There are a handful of things for sale because that is the only place they are offered, but it is not a commercial site, it is an information site. There is no advertising from vendors, no popups, etc. Dr. Mercola has a staff that run the website and he loses money on it, he is only doing it because he believes in getting the info into the public arena for discussion.
As I said, if you had looked over the website very much at all you would have alreaady found this out. But it's easier to stick with your own ideas than to have them challenged.
To: tallhappy
That should have said,
BY THE WAY, IS THAT A THREAT?
To: FormerLurker
Oh, no. Bones has shown up. Now it's time for serious name calling and telling you that you are in danger going to jail for practicing without a license.
In the past he has been quite offended at any discussion of medical issues by those who are not doctors. And since he's a doctor that makes it mighty convenient.
To: FormerLurker
That's interesting-- I read the other day (on-line, but exactly where I don't remember) that European studies found that vaccinations were not related to autism in children. (I'll try to locate a link.) You sound as though you believe that you are the last word on the matter.
To: Clara Lou
You sound as though you believe that you are the last word on the matter. No, I don't think that I am, but I DO think that the doctors and researchers referenced within the linked material in post 203 ARE...
To: FormerLurker
From
your own link:
"The Safety Review of Thimerosal-containing Vaccines and Neurodevelopmental Disorders Conducted by the Institute of Medicine
This past year, the Institute of Medicine convened a committee (the Immunization Safety Review Committee) to review selected issues related to immunization safety. [For more information regarding this committee, their charge, and their reports, see the IOM web site, www.iom.edu/imsafety] The IOM has, to date, completed reviews in two areas. The first review by this committee focused on a potential link between autism and the combined mumps, measles, and rubella vaccine. The second review focused on a potential relationship between thimerosal use in vaccines and neurodevelopmental disorders (IOM 2001). This latter issue was brought to the fore primarily as the result of the hypothesis, formulated by S. Bernard and others from Cure Autism Now, that autism is a novel form of mercury poisoning (Bernard et al. 2001); this hypothesis, linking autism to mercury, was based on a comprehensive review of the scientific literature on mercury toxicity.
"In its report of October 1, 2001, the IOM’s Immunization Safety Review Committee concluded that the evidence is inadequate to either accept or reject a causal relationship between thimerosal exposure from childhood vaccines and the neurodevelopmental disorders of autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), and speech or language delay. Thus, while the available scientific data do not establish that these neurodevelopmental disorders are caused by thimerosal, at the same time, they do not establish that these neurodevelopmental disorders are not caused by thimerosal. Additional studies are needed to establish or reject a causal relationship. The Committee did conclude that the hypothesis that exposure to thimerosal-containing vaccines could be associated with neurodevelopmental disorders was biologically plausible.
"The Committee believed that the effort to remove thimerosal from vaccines was "a prudent measure in support of the public health goal to reduce mercury exposure of infants and children as much as possible." Furthermore, in this regard, the Committee urged that 'full consideration be given to removing thimerosal from any biological product to which infants, children, and pregnant women are exposed.'
"The FDA is continuing its efforts to reduce the exposure of infants, children, and pregnant women to mercury from all sources. Discussions with the manufacturers of influenza virus vaccines (which are routinely recommended for pregnant women) regarding thimerosal-reduced and thimerosal-free presentations are ongoing. Discussions are also underway with regard to other vaccines, in particular, the diphtheria and tetanus vaccines and one manufacturer’s adolescent/adult formulation of the hepatitis B vaccine (a second manufacturer’s hepatitis B vaccine is formulated without thimerosal as a preservative for both the pediatric and adult presentations.) In addition, all immune globulin preparations including hepatitis B immune globulin, and Rho(D) immune globulin preparations are manufactured without thimerosal. For additional information on the issue of thimerosal in vaccines, see Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)."
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11/17/2002 11:01:52 AM PST
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boris
To: boris
That was just ONE study. In relation to the data they looked at, they DID say that "at the same time, they do not establish that these neurodevelopmental disorders are not caused by thimerosal."
To: FormerLurker
Institute of Medicine Panel Recommends No Changes to U.S. Vaccination Procedures By Brian Carnell
Thursday, February 21, 2002
An independent committee of the Institute of Medicine has released a report finding there is no evidence that the multiple vaccines children receive contributes to illnesses and recommends that the United States maintain its current regimen of vaccinations.
The committee looked at whether there was an association between childhood vaccination and colds, ear infections, juvenile diabetes, meningitis, and pneumonia. Anti-vaccine critics claim that the large number of vaccinations that children receive today affects the immune systems in ways that may make them vulnerable to later illnesses.
The committee focused on Type I Juvenile Diabetes which is an autoimmune disorder. It reviewed eight studies of vaccination and this disorder and found no evidence for any sort of causal link between it and vaccination. Other studies found no evidence linking vaccination to colds, ear infections, meningitis, and pneumonia. If multiple vaccinations really suppress or otherwise hamper the immune system, it is odd that children receiving vaccinations are not at a higher risk to such infections.
The committee did call for further study on whether or not multiple vaccinations might increase the risk of developing asthma. At the moment there aren't enough methodologically sound studies of the connection between the two to make a determination either way.
The New York Times noted that in many ways the idea that multiple vaccinations might overload the immune system is a misnomer since vaccines have been reengineered to the point that infants today are actually exposed to fewer total antigens today than in the past even though they are receiving more vaccines.
The number of antigens in the pertussin vaccine, for example, has been reduced from 3,000 to less than five, and of course the smallpox vaccine, with its 200 antigens, is no longer administered. Recently adopted vaccines such as for chickenpox and hepatitis contain very few antigens, resulting in a net decrease in the total number of antigens two which children are exposed.
Source:
Panel discounts some fears over vaccinations for babies. Sheryl Gay Stolberg, The New York Times, February 20, 2002.
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11/17/2002 11:11:23 AM PST
by
boris
To: boris
Vaccine preservative's effects may have been known
05/21/2002
By VALERI WILLIAMS / WFAA-TV
Dallas/Fort Worth, Channel 8 News http://www.wfaa.com/latestnews/stories/wfaa020520_am_vaccine.666583b.html
For a pdf copy of Phase I of the CDC's Thimerosal Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) Study see cdcthimerosal.pdf
For decades, half of all childhood vaccines contained a chemical preservative called Thimerosal.
It is made from mercury, one of the most poisonous substances on Earth.
News 8 has spent the past three months investigating claims that government regulators and some pharmaceutical companies knew of the dangers, but never told the public.
From the outset, it must be stressed that this report is not anti-vaccination. Every person interviewed for this story believes in the importance of having children immunized.
Rather, the focus is on the possible link between Thimerosal and neurological disorders.
Before the 1990s, 1 in 10,000 children were diagnosed with autism. But in the past decade, as the government has increased the number of mandatory vaccines, some recent studies suggest the rate of autism has risen to 1 in about 250 children.
Some say the cause may be mercury poisoning.
From the day that little Jac Counter was born in 1996, his proud parents began documenting his progress with a video camera.
There was the first tooth, the first bowl of spaghetti, and the first steps.
But among all the precious images of their baby boy, there was another "first" that the Counters unknowingly recorded on video. And that, they say, was the beginning of Jac's descent into "mercury-induced autism."
On one of the tapes, at 22 months, Jac verbalized playfully with his father.
Jac's parents say by the age of 4, however, he had lost all his verbal skills. Communication became a series of screams and tantrums. And there was other odd, compulsive behavior, like constant repetitive movements and licking many objects.
It was a urine test for 15 toxic metals that provided Joe and Theresa Counter with the first indication of what was wrong with their son.
The test showed that Jac's levels for arsenic, cadmium and nickel were normal or within an acceptable range. But as far as the results for mercury were concerned, the line goes off the chart.
Experts report that patients with mercury poisoning or autism share many of the same symptoms, including obsessive-compulsive behavior and loss of speech.
Jac's only possible encounter with sizable amounts of mercury, say the Counters, is through his vaccines.
"It's not that any one shot (did it)," father Joe Counter said. "The Thimerosal or the mercury in one of my son's vaccinations - well, he didn't get one shot, he got 30 shots or whatever, or however many he got. And it was the cumulative affect that, at some point, his body said, 'Stop it, I can't take this any more.' "
The Counters, who live in Plano, became the first family in the nation to file a lawsuit against pharmaceutical companies who put Thirmerosal in their vaccines.
Since last year, another 50 families with autistic children in 8 states have filed suit as well.
Medical files obtained by News 8 for at least five of the children show excessively high levels of mercury, just like Jac Counter.
So how much mercury are we talking about?
Approximately 12 out of the 18 vaccine doses the average American child receives before the age of two contain Thimerosal. Cumulatively, that's more than 200 micrograms of mercury, which would fit on the head of a pin.According to the EPA, dropping that pin-head of mercury into 23 gallons of water would make it unsafe for human consumption.
"Think about the idea of injecting your own child with levels of mercury that are thirty to forty times what's considered safe for an adult," Dallas attorney Andy Waters said. "And, I think if any human being thinks about that very long, they recognize that this is something that never should have happened."
Waters represents the Counters, as well as other families in the lawsuits. News 8 took some of his firm's research on Thimerosal to several top experts for their opinions.
Dr. Boyd Haley is the Chairman of the Chemistry Department at the University of Kentucky. He's one of the nation's leading experts on mercury poisoning and has studied Thimerosal in vaccines.
Thimerosal "is one of the most toxic compounds I know of," Haley said. "I can't think of anything that I know of is more lethal."
Dr. Jane Siegel is a professor of pediatrics at UT Southwestern in Dallas. For the past five years, Siegel has sat on the government vaccine committee that decides which vaccines are mandatory for children.
"I believe there is no data thus far that's been looked at to prove that there's a connection - that there's a causitive relationship," Siegel said.
But just two years ago, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention did conduct a study, which showed that three-month-old babies exposed to just 63 micrograms of mercury - less than half of the aforementioned pin top - were two-and-a-half times more likely to develop autism.
The study is stamped "Confidential" and "Do Not Copy or Release." Siegel says it was never made public because it was just a draft."Until they're final, and are ready for publication, they're always considered a draft, not to be widely distributed," Siegel said. "This preliminary information could be distributed, and that could do harm."
So why was it marked 'Confidential, Do Not Release', rather than a simple 'Draft'?
"I think we're mincing words," Siegel said.
Subsequently, the CDC did release a report to the public, but the findings were much different. The new study was amended with different data which lowered the autism rate.
Dr. Sidney Baker has reviewed both reports. Baker has authored six medical books, and written scores of articles on childhood behavior and autism.
Baker is critical of the CDC study.
"I can't imagine that smart people could possibly have re-arranged the data the way they were done, and represented the data the way they were done, without doing it on purpose and with the express purpose, as you say, of a coverup," Baker said.
Baker treats hundreds of autistic patients each year from around the country. He suspects that about half of the children he sees have been affected by Thimerosal from their vaccines.
Baker said the CDC's refusal to release raw data from the study for outside experts to evaluate - a standard protocol in medical research - is helping to fuel the controversy.
To parents like the Counters, that is unforgivable.
"It doesn't matter that 95% or 98%, or whatever the percentage of the kids - somehow their system is able to take in a particular metal - in this case, mercury - and flush it out," Counter said. "My kid couldn't, and it wreaked havoc on his system.
"It fried his wires."
Under pressure from the American Academy of Pediatrics and the CDC, pharmaceutical companies agreed to stop manufacturing vaccines containing Thimerosal in March 2001. But while production may have ceased, vaccine vials already containing Thimerosal were not recalled.
A very simple solution for parents worried about upcoming shots for children is to ask your doctor ahead of time for Thimerosal-free vaccines.
Tuesday night, the News 8 investigation continues with what the government, and at least one pharmaceutical company, knew 30 years ago about Thimerosal's dangers - and didn't tell the public.
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• DTaP: Tripedia (Pasteur Merieux Connaught), Acel-Immune (Wyeth-Ayerst), Certiva (North American Vaccine) • Td: All Products • DTaP-Hib: TriHIBit (Aventis Pasteur) • Hib: HibTITER multidose (Wyeth-Ayerst), ProHIBit (Aventis Pasteur) • Hib/HepB: COMVAX (Merck) • HepB: EngerixB (Glaxo-Smith Kline), RecombivaxHB (Merck) |
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Q: How can I be sure my child is receiving a thimerosal free vaccine?
A: Ask your pediatrician. If you are concerned your child's vaccine may contain thimerosal, call your doctor’s office ahead of your child’s scheduled visit and request Thimerosal-free inoculations. One sure sign of a thimerosal free vaccine is a single dose vial as opposed to a multi-dose vial.Q: Do vaccines still contain thimerosal?
A: Beginning in March 2001, thimerosal was no longer added as a preservative to childhood vaccines though none were recalled. Some are still in circulation. You can also ask to see the vial and package insert to check for yourself. Q: What if my child exhibits some signs or symptoms of autism?
A: Consult your doctor. Many symptoms of autism are also symptoms of other childhood disorders like ADD and ADHD. If your child does exhibit some autistic behavior, it does not mean an automatic diagnosis. Q: What if my child received vaccines which contained thimerosal?
A: If you are concerned that your child has been adversely affected by thimerosal, they can be tested for the levels of heavy metals in their body. One method is a urine/creatinine test. Ask your physician for referrals and additional information. Q: Should I still have my child vaccinated?
A: Absolutely. Childhood immunizations have greatly reduced and/or eradicated many deadly childhood diseases. If you feel unsure about immunizing your child, sit down and discuss it with your pediatrician. Ask questions. Be informed. |
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For a pdf copy of Phase I of the CDC's Thimerosal Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) Study see cdcthimerosal.pdf
To: FormerLurker
"If YOU were involved, YOU have an agenda." On its face, that is one of the most idiotic assertions I have ever seen. In your mind, since I happen to know the facts of the matter, I have no credibility. What an absolutely absurd notion.
"Provide some evidence that you were involved. Post a link to some of your esteemed work.."
If I still had my pay stubs and work correspondence from the sixties, I wouldn't be sharing them with you. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have better things to do than respond to your rubbish.
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11/17/2002 11:39:38 AM PST
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okie01
To: FormerLurker
The issue with fluoride is also the issue with this vaccine. Fluoride, a highly toxic reactive chemical, has been promoted by government and "health officials" alike as the next best thing to mother's milk just about. It has been shown to be extremely hazardous by neurologists, physicicans, mircrobiologists, chemists, dentists, and other scientists and health professionals. Your evidence is a joke. I stopped taking you seriously after post #12 when you posted as "evidence" a website which used the word "sheeple". Didn't you know that "sheeple" is only a scientific word in tinfoil circles?
LIKEWISE, this vaccine that is being touted as safe as water and good for you, is in reality dangerous to your overall health, as well as actually DIMININISHING your resistance to smallpox. See post #74...
Rrrrright... The vaccine makes one more likely to get smallpox. You crack me up.
If anybody is interested in what modern medicine has to say about the subject, see this. (And this website doesn't once use the word "sheeple".)
PS. One more note about fluoride in the water... By avoiding fluoride and therefore getting more cavities, those with fillings for the cavities in their teeth are often exposed to low levels of mercury (often used in fillings)... Or do the tinfoilers not get fillings, also? Must be quite a dilemma.
To: TheEngineer
Didn't you know that "sheeple" is only a scientific word in tinfoil circles? LOL. Then the majority of posters on FR must where tin hats...
Hey, go for your shot man, whoop it up. And go brush your teeth (with Crest) too..
To: okie01
If YOU were involved, YOU have an agenda. He claims that I must have an agenda, too. But he completely ignores the agenda of the woman who wrote the posted article, "Barbara Loe Fisher". Her kid has some behavioral problems, and now she is looking for someone to blame (or more likely, someone to sue).
At age 2.5 when he was vaccinated, she had no idea how normal/abnormal his behavior was. Oh, but I forgot, her agenda doesn't matter.
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