Posted on 11/12/2002 7:47:14 AM PST by H8DEMS
The tone of the standard freeper response bothers me. We are giving in to the racists and accepting their terms. Why is it bad to say "I want my people (blacks, whites, Alabamians, Irish, Engineers, janitors, Christians...to succeed." We have accepted the liberal view and tried to turn it against them. We don't need to accept their world view.
I am all for someone taking on the task of motivating a group, such as blacks or car salesmen, to self-improvement. There is nothing racist about that.
But, the black vote for the R's is estimated at 11-26%, I don't know the real #'s and every time I hear the % moves like quicksand.
I believe I get your drift.
Other ethnic groups in America, particularly in cities, have formed largely self-sufficient enclaves or populations and no one thinks twice about it. Many cities have their chinatowns, or little koreas, or their Jewish neighborhoods where a fairly diverse range of businesses exist which are owned and operated by members of that ethinic group, and whose customers are mostly members of that ethnic group.
But for some reason (maybe many reasons) the black experience is different. Apparently it wasn't always that way. I have read accounts of Harlem in the early 1900s, of how vibrant it was, of the intact mother-father families that predominated there. Things changed. Black family structure disintegrated, blacks were housed in "the projects" which became crime-ridden and decrepit. Many blacks became more dependent, less self-sufficient. I believe government deserves the most (but not all) blame. Lingering racism is also partly to blame. Whatever the cause, there is no excuse for it to continue.
That's my white outsider's view anyway.
Yes, both are factors but mostly, Blacks wanted to be part of American society so much that the minute that became attainable most of the parts of the Black community that contributed to that self-sufficiency bolted.
Unfortunately, a thriving, self-reliant community that helps its members become truly part of America was not much of a priority to the brand of Black leadership that seemed to dominate the scene, starting with WEB Du Bois. Especially after the civil rights movement.
Just my dime's worth.
My first response is that your statement is kind of condescending to the "Black audience", on further thought I think you may be right and that if true it's pretty sad.
I love how it's horribly wrong and evil for whites to generalize about all blacks because of a few black criminals. Yet all it takes is for one black somewhere to be called "N*gger", and suddenly every white person is blamed. Blaming all blacks for the crimes of a few is horrible, evil, ignorant racism. Yet blaming all whites for the actions of a few is enlightened, wise, and proper.
What a pile of crap.
Translation: I wish white folks would hate us so we could have an angry black nationalism instead of semi-comfortably fitting in with America.
Of course, most blacks would disagree vehemently with this idiot.
And how do distinguish this from argument for separatism?
Yes, maybe if Democrat liberals would stop buying the black vote by creating social programs and entitlements that ultimately consign blacks to the status of a permanently dependant under-class....
.....they might be more inclined to do for themselves.
Haven't Republicans and conservatives been saying this all along?
Send them all to Zimbabwe, and let them find out.
I'll buy the first ticket.
When does that excuse run dry? Let's see about some other post colonial societies that are hellholes? America? Canada? Australia? Singapore? Hong Kong? New Zealand? The only country in Africa with a 1st World economy (at least until recently) was South Africa and it was the most recently de-colonized - if you consider Apartheid a continuation of colonization.
Colonization is not an excuse, period.
To me, it is more like "Get in the Game, Boys," than "Take our Ball and Go Home."
The migration of Negroes from the South to the North was the biggest movement of a people in history to thatdate ... with perhaps even more impact on the country than the waves of more or less "orderly" immigration from Europe.. It happened very fast.
Some black scholars have theorized that this wave somehow wiped out the progress made by the established black communities because of cultural differences and the white backlash caused by the upheaval. If one looks at a photograph of Harlem in the 1920s, and then lays it down next to one of the same street in the 1960s, the idea behind the theory is clear.
The mass migration of illegal aliens might well have the same effect on all of us eventually. It has definitely harmed the black community already.
America started out as a colony too, though.
Just last week the head of the Black Studies program on our campus gave a talk in which he said that black conservatives will have to "face Jesus" one day and explain why they sold out their own people. (He's a Catholic priest, so he says.) He's also said that Powell and Rice "don't speak from a black cultural perspective." He totally dissed John McWhorter's book LOSING THE RACE but admitted upon questioning that he'd never read it. He's a nut. He's convinced that the local police follow him home, but he's such an effeminite, lip-pursing drama queen the only reason the cops might ever follow him would be to make sure he doesn't break into someone's house and redecorate it.
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