Turkish EU Entry Would Be End of Europe-Giscard

reuters.com ^ | November 08, 2002 07:34 AM ET | Reuters

[mamelukesabre]

Don't have a clue about those two.

Sweden and norway would have an easier time of it since you have to cross a body of water to get there from europe. I would suspect that there would be strong public support in denmark to seal the borders and kick the illegals out, but I doubt it with the dutch. They are hopeless.

[muawiyah]

Thor Hyerdal is the fellow who built a balsa raft called the Kon Tiki, sailed it to Easter Island from Ecuador (or Chile), and filmed the trip.

There's lots of stuff on the net about him.

To thin down the posts a bit go to www.google.com and search for Thor Hyerdal Ferdom. Mr. Ferdon worked with him for many years on his most entertaining stuff.

[muawiyah]

"Ferdon", not "Ferdom".

Intriguingly when I backed up through the cache, there was no "m" in the name.

[Destro]

The Turks speak an Altaic language. They are not Indo-European speakers and belong to the Mongoloid family of peoples (even with intermixing by forced rapes of the conquered).

In addition the Galatians were always a minority in Galatia to begin with and even more so when the Romans expanded the area for administration purposes while keeping the name. By the Christian Byzantine era there was an almost complete assimilation into the Hellenistic culture of Anatolia. In fact the Christian natives of Galatia maintained their Hellenistic/Byzantine culture right up until the 1920s. The Celts were never large enough a population to have an impact on the DNA inheritance of other peoples especially almost 1,000 years after a small number of them arrived in Anatolia. Their "Celtic" culture long since vanished by Christian Roman times. Native artificats from the region indicate a complete Hellenistic culture and langauge.

Recent DNA tests show no major DNA similarity with European populations among Turks.

muawiyah's statements about "Celtic Turks" is romantic garbage and as much fiction as Star Trek is. His posts were a great waste of time over nonsense.

[Phillip Augustus]

Thanks for the information. It confirms what I instinctively realized, namely that Turks are not Europeans and really have no business in the EU. I further don't believe they should be part of any immigration to European nations, at least not in large quantities. Turkey for Turks, Europe for Europeans.

[muawiyah]

The Turks, Estonians, Finns, Hungarians and Koreans speak languages in the Uralic-Altaic family.

Turks, Estonians, Finns, Hungarians, Koreans, Irish, Scotts, Chinese, Japanese, Nilotics, etc. IN THE USA speak the language of trade called English.

Turkish is a very widespread trade language, as is English. Speaking either says nothing about your ethnic heritage.

[muawiyah]

The Turks are as European as any of the current populations in Europe with the exception of the Albanians and Basques.

Most Turks look as European as most Europeans anyway.

[Destro]

I laugh at muawiyah. And here I was taught that the Basques and maybe the Albanians were around before the Indo-European peoples migrated to Europe.

[Phillip Augustus]

I don't think so.

[lavaroise]

Funny how Eurotrash backstab musims while claiming it is US foreign policy that is making the Iraqis starve.

[muawiyah]

I was also taught that the Basques and the Albanians reached Western and Central Europe before any of the Indo-Europeans.

As I said, the Turks are as European as all the other Europeans except for the Albanians and the Basques.

All those "other Europeans" are marginally civilized Scythians, just like the Turks, who have come in and conquered the original populations. There are also Turks living in Turkey in Europe.

A large part of the Turkish population consists of Indo-Europeans. For example there are the Kurds.

[Destro]

Kurds are not Turks.

[muawiyah]

That's one of the European demands on the Turks - that they treat the Kurds the same as if they were Turks.

I suspect those guys know what they are talking about.

Anyway, from the correct American point of view, these guys are all the same thing, all of 'em, and the only real difference between Europe and India is, for instance, the toilets. Europeans believe theirs work. The Turks are more fatalistic. They know theirs don't, and they don't much care!

It is time for strict neutrality in this, but with a recognition that the Europeans are bigots.

[singsong]

The "West" pretty nearly started in Turkey. The imposition of the Turkish "trade language" did not alter the fundamental character of the nation,

Wow, hallucinating in public... Greece is Turkey... or Turkey is grease?

[blam]

"Turkey is indeed an ally, but it is not Western; it is neither European, nor Christian. It is Asian and Islamic."

ALL the Indo-European languages have their roots in the area that is now the country of Turkey.

[xm177e2]

When will Turkey realize it can't get in to the EU, and decide to make its way forward as friends with America, Israel and a democratic Iraq?

[singsong]

ALL the Indo-European languages have their roots in the area that is now the country of Turkey.

But the Turks conquered that area not so long ago. So the Turks don't really belong there. They are Mongols by origin.

[blam]

"But the Turks conquered that area not so long ago. So the Turks don't really belong there. They are Mongols by origin."

It's a very complicated area of the world that goes back 10,000 years. Remember that the Black Sea flooded in 5,600BC. (That was probably Noah's flood and I believe Noah was a proto-Celtic. So...) Who belongs there is hard to say.

[The Wizard]

sounds like a french bigot to me....

[singsong]

It's a very complicated area of the world that goes back 10,000 years. Remember that the Black Sea flooded in 5,600BC. (That was probably Noah's flood and I believe Noah was a proto-Celtic. So...) Who belongs there is hard to say.
It doesn't matter who belongs there. The Turks are guests in Europe. And they are Mongols by origin. My point is clear - Turks should stop pretending they belong to the Europian culture. Part of it they demolished in thier conquest. There is nothing in common between Turkish Muslem Mongols and Christian Europe. Zilch.