Posted on 11/01/2002 6:42:37 AM PST by stainlessbanner
"Many Americans who were alive at the time apparently disagreed with you...if we are to believe their official documents," including the specific written words of the Constitution. (What was it you recently said about the United States Constitution? "The Constitution won't even make a good door stop." That's another opinion, by the way, which many Americans do not share with you. ;>)
Care to guess which State passed the shocking 'States rights' resolutions quoted in Post #39? I was 'really' hoping you would offer up another one of your impressive opinions...
;>)
"The people of the United States by the adoption of the federal constitution established a general government for special purposes, reserving to themselves respectively, the rights and authorities not delegated in that instrument. To the compact thereby created, each state acceded in its character as a state, and is a party. The act of union thus entered into being to all intents and purposes a treaty between sovereign states, the general government by this treaty was not constituted the exclusive or final judge of the powers it was to exercise; for if it were so to judge then its judgment and not the constitution would be the measure of its authority. Should the general government in any of its departments violate the provisions of the constitution, it rests with the states, and with the people, to apply suitable remedies."
Care to guess where this 'fire and brimstone' States rights resolution originated? Hmm? You have questioned the Confederates' "legitimacy:" secession certainly qualifies as a "mode and measure of redress," and was viewed by the seceding States as a 'suitable remedy'...
;>)
A wise man once said:
"Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right, a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world."
But the slave power didn't want to liberate the world, did they?
They certainly disregarded U.S. law.
From the majority opinion in the Prize Cases:
:The Constitution confers on the President the whole Executive power. He is bound to take care that the laws be faithfully executed. He is Commander-in-chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several States when called into the actual service of the United States. He has no power to initiate or declare a war either against a foreign nation or a domestic State. But, by the Acts of Congress of February 28th, 1795, and 3d of March, 1807, he is authorized to called out the militia and use the military and naval forces of the United States in case of invasion by foreign nations and to suppress insurrection against the government of a State or of the United States."
I know you totally disregard the rulings of the Supreme Court, which is why it is hardly even necessary to respond to you.
It's pretty plain that most people in the Civil War era saw the Constitution the way I see it.
Walt
as a groundpounder/MP i have no idea about this subject, end of story. that's why i asked the question.
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frankly i'm NOT surprised that we couldn't keep the engines running since the Merrimack was scuttled/burned by the damnyankees, before she was re-built/re-named by the CSA.
BUT even with that major handicap, we fought the Monitor to a standstill. not bad for a bunch of amatuers!
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Glossary, The Bluejacket's Manual, 1944:
Boat: a small vessel that can be hoisted onto or carried by a ship.
Ship: a vessel of large size capable of carrying boats.
Pigboat: Slang for submarine.
My wife's grandfather seved in the S-Boats during the 1920's and 1930's. Maybe that's why it's so hard to get my 11 year old son to take a bath. Must be in his genes. ;-)
The ship in question was the U.S.S. Merrimack, stolen by the rebels.
Ah, how refreshing; the Bolshevik interpretation of history. When "we" take it, it's called "liberating", but when "they" take it, it's called "stealing". How very convenient for you.
The actual design and construction of the rechristened VIRGINIA was done by the CSA.
I see whisky claims to be unfamiliar with the ancient and venerable practice of renaming ships captured from the enemy. We did it. The British did it. The French did it. Somehow, however, whisky doesn't want to admit that the Confederates did it, too.
at least she didn't go down with all hands like the MONITOR did, the first time she encountered bad weather!
our later experiments with ironclads worked MUCH better! not bad for a bunch of "amatuers"!
BTW, when you come up this way, let me show you our "semi-submersible", the gunboat MANASSAS, which not surprisingly is IN Manassas. the MANASSAS actually won every engagement that she entered.
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when the damnyankee horde came down to the south and robbed,looted & burned PRIVATE PROPERTY belonging to civilians, the damnyankees & scalawags called that legitimate; the international Law of War calls it WAR CRIMES.
when the damnyankees raped & murdered civilians ALL OVER THE SOUTH (slaves & "free persons of colour" were ESPECIALLY targeted by the damnyankees as they were less able to defend themselves.) and abused/tortured/starved/murdered CSA POWs they called it JUSTICE;the Law of War calls it CRIMES AGAINST PEACE & CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
Crimes Against Peace, Crimes Against Humanity & War Crimes are ALL punishable by death by hanging.
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As for Masassas, her actual career was quite different than what you describe. She was placed in service in September 1861 and almost immediately taken over by the Navy. On 12 October, she attacked the Federal blockading force at the Mississippi River's Head of Passes. The steam sloop USS Richmond was rammed and seriously damaged, but survived. Manassas was also damaged, mainly by the force of her own ramming effort, but successfully withdrew and was repaired. Her next action was during the night of April 24, 1862, when David Glasgow Farragut took his squadron up the Mississippi past Forts Jackson and Saint Philip to capture New Orleans. During the action off the forts, Manassas attacked the USSPensacola, USS Mississippi and USS Brooklyn. She was able to ram the last two, though not fatally, before running aground. USS Mississippi then shot her to pieces. Her crew abandoned her and she drifted downstream where she exploded and sank. So rather than winning every battle she participated in I would say she had no wins, one tie, and one definite loss for an 0-1-1 record. Better than the Georgia but not by much.
the MANASSAS is IN the city museum, intact, in Manassas Park,VA. according to the curator,she sunk a total of FOUR damnyankee vessels during the WBTS and as far as i know was NEVER in official CSN hands, as she was a PRIVATEER & the display about her says that she "---remained the property of her individual owners, though on indefinite loan to the State of Virginia's military forces, throughout the War Between the States".
again, NOT a BAD first effort for/by a bunch of "amateurs,with no naval knowledge", especially since she couldn't back up, leaked like a seive AND could fire her single cannon only FORWARD!
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