Navy's use of sonar halted, to spare whales

The Seattle Times ^ | Nov 01, 2002 | Kenneth R. Weiss

[stuartcr]

Sonobuoys are usually passive devices. Drop them in a known pattern, listen, and you can tell if someone is there, where they are going, and how fast. But the target has to be making noise.

[hchutch]

FYI ping.

This is complete BS. A judge can dictate the operational procedures for the U.S. military?

[stuartcr]

See SURTASS LFA for complete info on this subject.

[Stingray51]

Not even a real judge. The federal courts have propogated themselves by creating (with the connivance of Congress) a class of under-judges who actually do a lot of the real judges' work. They are not appointed by the president.

[Long Cut]

Okay, understand that my comments here are EXTREMELY limited, for reasons which will become obvious.

I am in the business of subhunting myself, aboard the mighty P-3 ORION ASW aircraft. In particular, I work with underwater acoustics and sonar. Matter of fact, I am an Instructor of them.

Rest easy if y'all are worried. This descision will NOT bother us to any great extent. That's all I can say.

[free me]

I know. Fake judges appointed by judges. Who are they accountable to I don't know.

[PatrioticAmerican]

...and in other news, the Air Force was denied airspace near 12 bird sanctuaries where the loud jets had scared migrant birds. The jets may fly only during war.

The Army, today, also announced that training with those nasty cannons and tanks would halt for they scare ground hogs on the firing range. The guns may only be fired during war.

[grobdriver]

I am in the business of subhunting myself, aboard the mighty P-3 ORION ASW aircraft. In particular, I work with underwater acoustics and sonar. Matter of fact, I am an Instructor of them. Rest easy if y'all are worried. This descision will NOT bother us to any great extent. That's all I can say.

Hey, shipmate.
Ex-AX1 IFT NATOPS instructor here. -Bs, B-MODs and Charlie Update IIs (what a piece of junk - but you may know that).

Glad to hear the Do What's Right attitude is alive and well in my Navy.

Pull chocks. Fly Safe.

[B4Ranch]

Thank you for your service and 'quiet' remarks.

[hchutch]

Perhaps, but I do not like the notion of judges making major decisions about operational procedures.

And this qualifies as one case where there is severe overreach. The Greens have not proven there is a link between the LFA sonar and harm to marine mammals. Hopefully, this decision will be overturned. I can see the military being told to monitor the effects better, but taking this tool out of their hands is NOT a good thing.

I can imagine the paraphrased line from Blackhawk Down used in a briefing: "Now, we have a couple of SURTASS LFA arrays that we wanted to use, but a federal judge, in all his wisdom, rejected that request. Too dangerous for the whales. So the advance ASW warning will have to come from P-3s and a small group of frigates ahead of the main convoy."

[Long Cut]

Nice to "meet" you, grob. AW1, Update III, UYS-1, AIP USQ-78A,B SENSOR-1 Instructor BUMP to ya, Shippy!

[Cincinatus]

Elizabeth LaPorte

Somehow, she looks exactly like I expcted her to.

[SUSSA]

Just where in the Constitution does it say that some judge can stop the navy from doing anything outside our borders? If Bush has any balls left he will tell this pig to cram her order in a stinky place.

[Long Cut]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I strongly dislike the idea, myself. As noted, we on active duty must deal with the watermelons and their nonsense on a constant basis.

All I'm saying is, don't sweat THIS one. We've got your back, America. BTW, ORIONs are more than up to the task, thank you. My life and career are devoted to just that goal, and there are a LOT like me.

Slick didn't drive us ALL away...

[free me]

LOL! Hey, she said they could use it if we were at war. Aren't we at war now?

[Grampa Dave]

This is a prime example of why every enviral organization in American needs to have their books audited to see how much money has come from the Opecker Princes and the Mullahs of Iran and maybe the Mass Murderers of Iraq.

Natural Resources Defense Council would appear to have received funding from Iran or the ChiComs to push this in a court.

If we can ever open the books of the Enviral Whacko Organizations to follow the money of who contributes to them, a lot of eyes will be opened.

[stuartcr]

If you truly want to track subs, and not have to go home and re-fuel for 2 or 3 months, then you should ride a SURTASS boat.