Was Patriarchy a Women's Scheme to Control Men?

self | 10/30/2002 | SauronOfMordor

[Z in Oregon]

No. You've sold out to the pointlessness of encounters with no meaning, rather than monogamy and raising a family. That represents one kind of man, and that kind is whipped. Talk tough all you like, you're lifestyle is a direct product of the very anti-male system you have lodged objections to.

Simpy put, son, you've surrendered without pause.

[CobaltBlue]

>>If I was looking for a wife, I would look for a deaf mute with massive hooters, and a pleasant disposition.<<

I can match you up with a nice retarded woman with good breasts, who will never challenge you. Sounds like just your cup of tea.

[Z in Oregon]

I am the future of the human race. Strive to comprehend the galactic magnificence before you.

[CobaltBlue]

>> Strive to comprehend the galactic magnificence before you.<<

Ohhhh-kay. I'll strive. Honest.

[BuddhaBoy]

Oh, spare me the phycobabble, buddy.

You dont know me, and you dont know anything about my 'encounters' either. I can assure you, they mean everything I want them to mean.

It isnt tough talk, to speak honestly about today's dynamic between men and women, and it is you folks who have surrendered. Especially the truth about what men and women are all about.

[BuddhaBoy]

I said 'deaf-mute'. I didnt say stupid. I love a challenge. When the day comes that I dont, then I can end my life in nuptual bliss like the rest of you.

[Desdemona]

"Species" meaning...????

Women. Some of us are not nearly so cruel as others. Or as flighty.

I would say that the objection of most men is to a system that is proactively and systemically biased against men.

And they are perfectly correct in that objection.

It also seems that some women jump on that legit objection and take it personally.

Some of us do not like what women have done to men any more than you men have. It's not right. Plain and simple.

Yes, well, I'm just trying to figure if it's really worth worrying over the laugh lines around my eyes which have appeared in the last six months. (Probably a result of my days as a pool rat and lifeguard.) Is it worth all the cuccumbers and vitamin A,C,D,&E I smear all over them ever night? Is it worth it to get up and do my face every day, hair, dress well, if this is the attitude I'm facing? I'm beginning to wonder.

And BTW, no stay at mom worthy of the name eats bonn-bonns and watches soaps. THat much I can assure you.

[right2parent]

In our case, "his" retirement account is "our" retirement account.

As long as you don't break the contract, and stay faithful.

And if he breaks the contract.....???

As I said in #478: "If he violates the contract, he is still obligated to support her and the children, commensurate with his normal contribution, and looses his right to custody."

[right2parent]

"Show me the authority to take custody from a father without fault, and I'll show you an abuse of process."

I don't have a problem with this either. Why would you think I would?

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to pick a fight, but, it is a "return to patriarchy" that you doubt will solve any problems, which is in fact the problem.

. . I doubt a complete return to patriarchy, at least as hard as is being discussed, will solve any problems.

This is the abuse of process that I am referring to. The standard of review for restricting a fundamental right is strict scrutiny. The burden is on the accusor, whether it be mom or the state, to show a father should not retain his natural right to guardianship. This was well understood until the turn of the century. At about this time, the courts adopted a different policy, "best interest". What this initially referred to was the best interest of the child was endangered by leaving custody with the father. This got twisted into a belief that the courts had only the lower standard of review within the context of appointments of guardians for wards of the state. Children are not wards until the parents loose their right to guardianship. A crucial step in the process was avoided, and a father's natural right was abridged. This is the practice we have today. It's not just unjust, it's unlawful.

[right2parent]

You're right, sorry.

[Desdemona]

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to pick a fight, but, it is a "return to patriarchy" that you doubt will solve any problems, which is in fact the problem.

The patriarchy itself is the problem? Or the pushy, short-sighted broads who want to ditch it? You're not being clear.

I don't think you guys get it. I'm on your side when it comes to parental rights. That seems to be the over-riding concern. At the moment, as I have yet to have any children, I don't really have a stake in that conflict. So far I have seen little evidence that children are necessarily always better off with mothers only. A father provides a lot of balance so long as the kids don't try to play one off the other.

I will agree that the pushier among us women have made life a living hell for everyone else. That seems to be their goal in life. Returning to a strict patriarchy is not going to change the fact that pushy women like to ruin life for everyone else. They want everyone to be as unhappy as they are, and they don't realize that happiness is a state of mind which one must decide one is. Either you decide to be happy or you decide not to be. Make up your mind. Unfortunately, a lot of women are easily persuaded that they are not happy and ruin a whole lot of lives trying to achieve a kind of "happiness" that isn't attainable. Law has nothing to do with it.

Capisce?

[right2parent]

Law has nothing to do with it.

The law has everything to do with it. It guarantees men can have families and women will be more than pleasure items. That's the point of this thread. Capisce?

[SauronOfMordor]

The legislatures are primarily male. The courts are primarily male. The executive branches of government are primarily male. The government agencies are primarily male. Big business is primarily male. It's not as if women have ever been able to force any of them to do what women want.

*sigh* I keep trying to make this point. Perhaps one more time...

When I say we are drifting toward a matrilineal society, i do NOT mean that women are taking charge. I am not saying "matriarchal". I'm saying "matrilineal". There is a difference. Matrilineal societies do not produce "what women want" successfully. They don't produce what men want either. That's why they fall.

It's not as if women have ever been able to force any of them to do what women want.

Which big desires of women do you see the "system" failing to produce? Women get preference in divorce. Women get affirmative action treatment in business hiring, in college admissions, in government contracting, etc

When was the last time you saw a commercial featuring an intelligent male and a ditzy female? ANd how many are the other way around?

The facts of life in the US in 2002 is that the white males in the general population can be safely insulted and discriminated against, with little consequence, while women cannot. You assume that the males in the legislatures, the courts, the agencies, and the boardrooms have a sense of solidarity with the males who drive your cabs and repair your roof. THEY DO NOT. The elites have solidarity WITH EACH OTHER, with the people they network with and have lunch with. And if it lets them score points with the women by selling out the men who drive the trucks and do the clerical tasks, THE ELITES WILL DO IT IN A HEARTBEAT.

[Desdemona]

The law has everything to do with it. It guarantees men can have families and women will be more than pleasure items. That's the point of this thread. Capisce?

Law guarantees that a woman is more than a pleasure item? Well, why not require a minimum IQ? Minimum bust size?

The law says whatever a specific judge says it does on any special day of the week. I have no problem with getting some of the dingbat women out of law-making roles. They think with their hearts, not with their heads.

If you're bitter about losing custody, I'm sorry, but if men had stood their ground and not let the pushy broads make all the rules, maybe we wouldn't be in this mess.

[Rytwyng]

Men can change this entire dynamic in one decade, by refusing to marry and father children.

Nonsense. Refusing to marry and father children, is cultural suicide. It's the ultimate treason. If you believe that Western Culture is worth preserving, start breeding.

[BuddhaBoy]

Nonsense. Refusing to marry and father children, is cultural suicide. It's the ultimate treason. If you believe that Western Culture is worth preserving, start breeding.

In case you havent noticed, we already have cultural suicide ravaging society. Watched MTV lately? I am making a suggestion to put the brakes on the current disaster in families.

The only way to force a return to healthy male/female relationships, is to refuse to participate in the status quo.

[Rytwyng]

I just dont think that California would be the place to look for a good man. Why would good conservative men go there?

Some of us were born here.

[Rytwyng]

This bitter venting (post 517)was beyond the pale. Moderators, please delete it before Sonserae sees it.

[sonserae]

Well, bless you for thinking so highly of yourself.
Bless you also for putting me in the same category you are complaining about. I beg to differ on me wanting a jerk.
As Sharon Stone says, "Women may fake orgasms but men can fake whole relationships". When I decide to be in a relationship with a man, he does a very good job concealing his real self...for about 6 or 8 months....He becomes what he thinks the woman wants. After you've fallen in love with this image they've created for you, their real self forms it's ugly head. I was unable to see red flags because I was raised to trust everyone. I never thought people could be so deceptive...Now I am more educated.

I was a virgin when I got married too....yes...and I grew up a Christian in Southern California. Please don't accuse me of being like all the women you met in L.A. You were different from the other men so please assume there's one girl in 8 million who is too.

I'm glad you are happy and God Bless you...but don't spit in the face of those wanting the same as you.