Posted on 10/30/2002 6:58:08 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
Man asks woman out- Man Pays.
Woman asks man out- Man Pays.
Neither ask the other out- Man Pays.
If men would learn to just not marry or impregnate these women, things would change drastically in time.
BikerNYC came up with an almost liberal -- certainly 'unconstrained vision' -- claim that any old thing will work, as if the societal arrangements which produce civilization are totally arbitrary. HLL can't get past the idea that any discussion of this subject is "women bashing," and Illbay just goes straight to disruption, without even bothering to offer an opinion. I think the people who either don't get it, or don't choose to get it, are a vast majority. And so yes, there will be no cooperative, thoughtful movement toward some societal arrangement that has men in it. Instead what we'll have is more government playing husband, and more crushing of actual flesh-and-blood men so that government can do that. And you're right, it winds up with some huge number of men refusing to play the game anymore, because there's just nothing in it for them except getting screwed over by the courts. My sense is that we might not be that far away from a safe and affordable male contraceptive. That will change this dynamic quite a bit, because it will allow the men with something on the ball to remove themselves from the target environment without surgery. |
And they wont get it, until they are forced to by nessesity.
This is because it is becoming more impossible every day to have a logical discussion without women (and a growing number of men) getting emotional, and forgeting the argument altogether.
Men and women are increasingly at war, with women at war with OTHER women at the same time. All because they bought that feminist crap, which is just as fraudulent as the racial crap, where somehow whole classes of people are supposed to behave exactly the same.
Whenever I meet a woman who is an actual INDIVIDUAL, instead of some Cosmo-Programmed, pre-plump, pampered princess, I want to rejoice. Many women today come with their own set of talking points, as if they were getting them in a daily fax from the N.O.W. each morning.
I blame men too, the pussies. Most today are so afraid of speaking the truth to a woman, that they dont deserve the manhood swinging beneath them.
Like most wars, this will be resolved by force. Men will get fed up with these 'chipsters', and only come near them by appointment. When women lose the governmental powers that come with motherhood and marriage, they will have no hope but to relearn how to negotiate power with men, and not expect it being bestowed by a Judge.
Right now, I just enjoy watching the fireworks, and limiting my contact to women secure in themselves.
I'll take a long-distance cup -- I'm on the east coast 8-)
You're experiencing the problem of high-income, well-educated women: you want a man who is at least as capable as you, but you're at the extreme end of the bell curve, and there aren't too many guys at that altitude with you. Men have it easier: we'll go with women who make much less than us and are less well-educated. This means our selection-space is much bigger. A professional man will date a supermarket checkout-clerk, if she's cute, but a professional woman is less likely to.
Others will argue that large groups of men being able to run around having sex with women without consequences will lead to the downfall of society.
Also, the potential for legal action is HUGE. Women will say that their right to children has been attacked, with Pharmacutical companies being deep-pocket defendants in cahoots with the (former)spouse to deny her (faux)constitutional right to confiscatory child support.
Men are just better off with vasectomies and variety until women come back down to earth.
The movie "Fight Club" offered a disturbing vision of what happens when men get sufficiently alienated from society. I would encourage people to see it.
When society is sufficiently unrewarding to men, the tendency is to take a sledgehammer and smash the foundation, then sit back and laugh as it all comes crashing down.
Hell, I'll even let the important things like love, devotion, and committment slide, and argue about boobs. You and I are so different that we can't even agree on those. I like boobs, silicone and natural. Doesn't really matter to me. I like blondes too, and no, I really don't care if it comes out of a bottle.
Maybe they aren't the decent men. It sounds like "decent" men means ones who make a lot of money but maybe some of the decent men are the ones making $40,000. Women don't always have to marry "up". Anyhow if you can beat them join them, there's always trophy men with no brains.
If a woman acts like a woman, and acts like she LIKES being a woman, she wont have to worry about buying coffee, because men will line up to buy her coffee
I totally agree. From the time I was a little girl, my mother told me that if I look like a lady, dress like a lady, speak as a lady, and act like a lady, I will be treated as a lady. From personal experience I have found that to be so true my entire life. When I see other women in tattered jeans and sweatshirts with short hair and mannish traits, walking and acting like a man, I can clearly see why they are not treated like a lady.
I never spent much time in L.A, but you must be looking in the wrong places. There are plenty of men out there who are decent and respectful, if you do your part and be a lady. I have found it very hard for most men to NOT be a gentleman when he is with me. My own mannerisms and appearance demand men around me to be gentlemen, I expect it, and demand it.
And it has nothing to do with looks, or big boobs. Looks and big boobs will attract men, but just men who are soley looking for quick sex.
Try a different location, change your appearance and what you expect, and you will be amazed how men change.
Bingo! I think that's the key. Even among my family/friends who live out the theory of patriarchy in their own homes seem to miss that at times.
I believe equality was always intended in the system. An equality of honor.
BOTH the man's and woman's positions held in equal honor and esteemed. Even glorified by eachother because of it's ability to complete one and all.
Btw, (total aside) site's faster in the mornings, it seems.
Wonder if it's cause any dems hitting the site are still sleeping...
Amazing how when a woman cant find a man, for most of them it is AUTOMATIC that it is the fault of the men, and not the fault of the woman in question. Last time I checked, men and women were still getting together in droves, so for those having a problem, it would seem natural that they would look inward, right?
Well that aint happining, sister. These gals have taken a caveman (male) approach to their dating, leading with their expectations, unaware that men can see their agenda like a neon sign plastered on their overly madeup faces.
Your mother was dead on, and I suspect men line up for you. There is something about a woman being NICE and SWEET that men respect. That is different then the "You better love me, or you are an asshole!" attitude that is so rampant among women today.
I maintain, in this day and age, men should date women, love them, have fun with them, spend time with them, but be very careful about marrying them, because if you choose wrong, you could end up with the Medusa, with the full power and authority of the federal government behind her, as she proceeds to whipsaw her catch into a quivering, slaving alimony-avoidance dancer, content to pick up the bon-bons she drops on the floor that roll under her mumu-dress.
Just say no, guys. It aint worth it. LOL!
I've read some things where black male converts to Islam are saying just about the same thing that you are.
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