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Watch Where You Point That Weapon!
lewrockwell.com ^ | 10-25-02 | Casey Khan

Posted on 10/28/2002 5:47:08 AM PST by SJackson

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To: Drop the Vernacular
I agree. The TEC-9 is a bogus piece of crap popularized (for some mysterious reason) by the chest-toupee wearers on Miami Vice. Odd that it's mentioned here, though, inasmuch as I saw a salesman PLEAD with a guy not to purchase one yesterday at the range I patronize. His statement (entirely true) was "well, if you can't hold it with one hand and you can't aim it with two hands how are you going to shoot it?" Yep, the guy bought it anyway. If I catch him hip-shooting the RO is gonna bounce him so fast his head will spin.

Now, I like Marines as much as the next guy, but to compare their jobs with those of law enforcement officers is absurd. I can't vouch for whether Jeff Cooper's rules (three of the four, anyhow) constitute current USMC training doctrine, but even if they do holding a suspect at gunpoint is rather a different matter from killing commies.

Lew Rockwell needs to have a gun writer if he's going to essay into these areas.

41 posted on 10/28/2002 11:40:21 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: CWRWinger
My pleasure. I'm radical when it comes to honest justice. Yesterday I learned from an article on FR that "'radical,' from the Latin stem for 'root,' merely means we get to the heart of the matter". Which may not be precise because it appears that 'root' was an Old English stem from the Latin word 'radix': the primary source.

No wonder that 'radical' has been flipped on it's head to imply anti-establishment or anti-status quo. Oh the irony! For, the status-quo establishment is anti-root of the primary source.

42 posted on 10/28/2002 11:49:33 AM PST by Zon
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To: Zon
No wonder that 'radical' has been flipped on it's head to imply anti-establishment or anti-status quo. Oh the irony! For, the status-quo establishment is anti-root of the primary source.

I also wonder sometimes, if the word 'conservative' is the wrong word for us. I don't want to 'conserve' the status quo. I'd rather 'radically' revert things back to the original Constitution.

43 posted on 10/28/2002 12:02:12 PM PST by CWRWinger
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To: Lizard_King
If that happened, that NCO would be out on his ass in minutes. NCO's and CO's are forbidden to strike enlisted Marines, in training and non-military situations (where there is a little leeway presumably, but look what happened to Patton). Discipline is internal and team based, not instilled through physical abuse.

The rules are different in live fire environments. There a punch is NOT physical abuse, but a well-earned reprimand that is far less cruel than the potential results from an AD.

A live fire session or range is not a place to play Mr. Rogers with the trainees.

44 posted on 10/28/2002 12:17:12 PM PST by Eagle Eye
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To: Zon
#35 - Excellent read, Zon. I have pending lawsuit arguing this same logic.
45 posted on 10/28/2002 12:43:49 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: ActionNewsBill
Quick--what are the most dangerous jobs in the U.S.?

Because of where I live, probably my first answer would be "Fisherman".

But I would expect cops have higher suicide and divorce and heart attack rates... At least from what I have personally seen.

46 posted on 10/28/2002 1:13:46 PM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: liberty or death
So What!!! Do you have to be a "Gun Geek" to write an article with the word gun in it.

Not at all. But glaring errors on one aspect of an article create doubt about the rest of the writing. E.g., Ann Coulter is no expert on guns, but can write articles concerning gun control without making stupid mistakes - she doesn't pretend to know things about which she knows nothing.

47 posted on 10/28/2002 3:10:51 PM PST by Drop the Vernacular
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Here's where today's post got it's start: Drivers of White Vans are being treated as criminals #377; the link should take you right to it. It's probably less focused but has some information not in today's post.
48 posted on 10/28/2002 4:17:13 PM PST by Zon
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To: yarddog; mushroom; Billthedrill; xsrdx
YD .... but even if they do holding a suspect at gunpoint is rather a different matter from killing coméis

MR The cop is pointing his weapon at a citizen who might be a violent criminal in an attempt not to have to shoot him.

I agree there's lots of mistakes in the article, and in a sense he fails to drive home his point.

These people AREN'T suspects. That red car is at a roadblock, what is that LEO doing? There's no suspect here, unless there's a perp under the shell, and the driver is free to fire. As xsrdx correctly points out, he's using a flashlight to look under the shell. Like a deer hunter looking for his pals through his scope, safety on of course.

Best case a complete disregard of gun safety procedures, worst cast contempt for those motorists at the roadblock he's "protecting".

49 posted on 10/28/2002 6:53:11 PM PST by SJackson
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To: Zon
Yeah, I was on that thread. It degenerated quickly. Appearantly, we have a number of FReepers who believe that cops should have totalitarian powers. I don't. Their use of force should be no more than mine may be. I, as a citizen, give them their powers, so why would I give someone else powers that I do not reserve for myself?

If I pointed a weapon at someone as much as cops do these days, I'd be in jail.
50 posted on 10/28/2002 8:08:37 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: PatrioticAmerican

If I pointed a weapon at someone as much as cops do these days, I'd be in jail.

If you point a gun at a cop, one or both of you will be shot. Fortunately local police, especially non-city police are the most conscientious. The State and Federal police are the worst. For most people when a citizen points a gun at them they'll report the incident to the police. Yet when a police officer is the one pointing the gun I think almost no one reports the incident to the police headquarters. I think most law enforcement agencies require the officer to file a report when he or she un-holsters their gun in the process of detaining a person.

51 posted on 10/28/2002 8:52:00 PM PST by Zon
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To: Zon
BUMP
52 posted on 10/29/2002 11:32:31 AM PST by dcwusmc
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