"BBC Gets Caught Again"

"...but WHY is the question that needs an answer. This is the heart of the beast; the rationale for them vomiting on us daily."

Jeepers, FGS; whatever I (think) I know lies in engineering matters.
Nonetheless, I think it's safe to say that aside from the principles telling us themselves what their motive(s) are -- which will never happen -- all we can do is use our wits, experience, sense of balance & justice to approximate the *whys* behind something as wicked as "controlling" [read: manipulating] other people.

If this were an engineering problem all I could say is we're left no choice but to reverse engineer the issue.

The hellbent charge for control, power, money, fame are all something which simply never has made very much sense to me as far back as 1970 when I began to notice such things & in 2002, it still doesn't.
From my POV --& judging by those I see who've attained any or all of these things -- I find the price they've paid always to be way too high & outa balance with the gain.

I do know this: "their" efforts to attain, hold & wield their power -- in whatever form it manifests -- has also made it damned hard & unnecessarily difficult for me to conduct my own life as I try to go about in pursuit of life & liberty.
Otherwise?
I couldn't care less what they did or didn't do; in fact, they can all for a lack of better way to say *it* -- albeit politely -- kiss my royal ass. :o)

"Right again. Sports, various forms of entertainment , evening/world news, whatever. All designed to keep the couch potatoes glued to the teevee. I would submit all couch potatoes are not created equal, but that's another story."

I sense it's much more sinister than something as elementary as keeping "couch potatoes" a captive audience of worm-like consummers forever "shopping," FGS.

Remember, we're not always in a position to be in front of the television; or, shopping for that matter.
Right?
No...it's a "frame-of-mind" we carry with us 24 & 7, FGS.
It is this FOM these forces vie to instill within us; their influence acting through us is an awsome power to control if harnassed.
It's what the fighting's all about now, isn't it?

Once they've achieved some margin of certainty we're going to behave as they'd choose, those behaviors of our's become incredibly predictable.

So much of "power" is knowing the future, in the many iterations power will manifest itself, anyway.
At least that's how I see it.

"Let's set aside the sports/entertainment con for the time being."

That's just it, FGS; I sincerely don't believe we can afford to set aside those venues.
If we do, we do so at our own risk.
Those venues occupy a tremendous amount of the most vulnerable time we humans have (when, we're not listening to or being "programmed" by the "news.").
Our *entertainment* is a disproportionate amount of the time spent in front of a television.
Those -- peripheral venue -- hours we spend in front of the television are continually employed to reinforce & buttress all manner of issues we're fighting one-dimensionally when we attack the news Lamestream.

That is why -- I firmy believe -- these people have been so completely successful.
Their coverage of propaganda has had to have been absolute, complete, & continual.
Whether it be photographs of Jenet Reno *or* Clinton in the background of sets we'll see on X-File episodes to the very themes (the goofball responsible for writing their stories) used ~& I only use that program as an example as they're all the same.
Notice an common threads running through the *ads* apperaing during the programming being made avaialble??
You should; it's blatant & deliberate.

"So the network news moguls are charged with delivering an audience to the people that pay the bills, the sponsors. And not just any audience. The sponsors have a product that will generally appeal to a limited demographic; the mark, er, target audience."

Yes.
Don't you think the fevered pitch their greed has reached demands these net "mogals" be expected to gaurentee certain results?
An expectation of performance with huge stakes is a powerful motive.
FGS?
Time for you to once again find some good, quality time to sit yourself down & watch-- yet again -- the DVD I sent you.
As you do, think of what we're discussing here as the screenplay unfolds.
The Liberal-Socialists weren't as savvy, as clever when that film was made & they quite inadvertently gave us all a rather accurate glimpse into what makes 'em really tick.
Ain't ever gonna see that kind of mistake made again by Hollywierd, FGS; not if they're intent on controlling us.
Which, they are.

"I would submit conservatives as a group are generally not part of this demographic, and I'll tell you why I think that's so....touch-feely, warm and fuzzy, feel-good, emotionally charged ads."

It actually pains me to have to so passionately disagree with you on this point.
The varying venues you asked we set aside, find conservatives, are created for conservatives, & are very effective pulling the same bolt of wool over the conservative's eyes as they are any others -- Liberal-Socialists, included.
In that sense we're all equal; equally gullible

You're an exception to the rule, FGS.
But be careful to guard against *projecting* as you seek answers.
With all your might set aside your values as you patiently observe what *is* happening around you; &, then believe what you've observed as-is.
You'll find yourself in the envious position of being able to ask, "why" to some very specific questions, no?

"I'm sure you remember the early days of teevee advertising where the appeal(s) were for the most part made to our reason and logic. XYZ soap is better than ABC soap because [fill in the here with appropriate benefit]. And that was that. Fast forward to today. XYZ still claims to be better soap, but that's almost lost in the attendant hype."

People are -- somehow -- more "sophisticated" these days, FGS; on a variety of levels...mind you I am NOT saying, "better," just more complex by default due to technology et al.
Therefore the *hook* must be that much more convincing, appealing, promising.
Hell's bells, one has to be on their game to catch a dumb fish, don't they?

"Nowadays if one uses XYZ soap, not only will their whites be whiter, but they'll likely end up cavorting on the beach with a gaggle of Chippendale's hunks. And the hunkiest of the hunks will probably sweep 'em away in his Ferrari Testosterone'(grin), to his villa where they will be waited on hand and foot, and they'll never have to use soap again anyway! Well, you get the drift."

HA!!
Yea, I get the drift, alright; moreover, this is a phenomenon I've observaed happening right here in my own neighborhood among the children.
When they're playing -- & it doesn't matter what it is -- their volume is, "Loud," "Louder," & "Loudest."
See?
The -volume- of their "fun" is representative of (~& in direct proportion to) the "fun" they're supposedly having.
The "fun" they'd like every & anyone else to think they're having?
How these kids have been conditioned is definetly manifesting in what they *think* they have to do & how they feel they must behave in order to successfully demonstrate they're being amused.

Now beyond the (very real) possibility their parents impregnated much of their own nuerotic behavior(s) deeply into their children?
Consider what's constituting "children's programming," these days.
*Listen* to the tone & volume of children's cartoons, sitcoms, & commercals!
Have you observated what they're conjured up for our kids to *imprint* on IF/WHEN we're not paying attention??
If you did, the fact they're screaming their asses off would come as no surprise, would actually make sense.
Then you'd understand how an advertiser must approach these youngsters to get their attention which carries through to when they (finally) grow up (be that as it may).
Outlandish claims of, "...but they'll likely end up cavorting on the beach with a gaggle of Chippendale's hunks." is indicative of what these people have done to an entire generation, FGS.

Might also go light years toward explaining -- precisely why -- there are so very many profoundly unhappy & disillusioned people these days, as opposed to our youth, too.
Our parents were always at-the-ready to remind us a pair of PF Flyers was not going to contribute to our running faster, jumping higher any any other such nonsense.
~eh?

"So along with the emotionally charged ads, what naturally follows would be emotionally charged....news. Warm and fuzzy, etc."

That's correct; &, for the same reasoning motivating advertisers.

"Now, hard hitting news just doesn't fit very well in this scenario; touchy-feely does. You've got a friend in warm and fuzzy government. They're here to help, but they must have the proper personnel(Dims!) and adequate funding(lotsa taxes) to accomplish their task. Trust us!"

HA!!
"Hard News" -- to me -- has become a metaphor of sorts for just relating the events of the day, honestly & as they happened which we colloquially used to call simply, "News."

"I've really gone off the deep end."

Not to worry; I went off long ago & stand ready to catch ya. :o)

"Fer Chrissakes, where was I going with this anyway??? I don't type NEARLY fast enough. I'll have to gather my thoughts off the floor and have another go at it tomorrow."

The whole thing's quite *complex*, eh?
A *sound bite* won't do for this subject; nor, will those who've been rendered weak of mind be able to follow to any meaningful degree, either.
So, I guess there's a built-in security to all this madness, interestingly enough.

...a kind of Y2k Rosetta Stone, in a way?

If this were an engineering problem all I could say is we're left no choice but to reverse engineer the issue.

You nailed it buddy; exactly my thought processes. Someone must reverse engineer this monster. Again, paying particular attention to the WorldNews/EveningNews/NightlyNews part of the whole. To me this is where the major damage is inflicted. This is where the on air mush is put into perspective.....THEIRS ! 50+ million people watch the network media's perspective every night; most never even suspecting they're being sold a bill of goods. To them it's the unvarnished news. The other mush on teevee doesn't concern me as much, but only by a few degrees. Granted, it contributes to the overall mind set, but it can be dealt with later???

I sense it's much more sinister...

Likely true to some degree; maybe to a large degree, and wouldn't surprise me in any case. Shades of Goebbels. But for this conspiracy to work, all players must remain on board either willingly or unwillingly. The biggest scam/con possibly is being run on the financiers of this whole charade...the sponsors. Corporatism notwithstanding, I really have trouble believing that corporate America would willingly support the subversive vomit called network news. I could be wrong.

Furthermore, what chances if any are there, the networks themselves are being conned(willingly?) by the likes of Nielsen, Pew, etc....the EXPERTS in the fields of market/audience research? And how can a business leader/upper management type be faulted for following the advice of an expert, particularly when everyone does it? CYA is rampant at the networks like a lot of other places I suspect.

It actually pains me to have to so passionately disagree with you on this point.

I doubt we really disagree that much on this. I was primarily focusing on the network news which IMO is the most dangerous aspect of the networks' programming simply because so many people believe it really is news and don't recognize it as the propaganda it truly is. The other programming is dangerous and insidious in its appeal, and probably picks off its share of conservatives as well, but how much is passed off as political gospel especially?

But be careful to guard against *projecting* as you seek answers.

God knows I try ; )

People are -- somehow -- more "sophisticated" these days, FGS; on a variety of levels...mind you I am NOT saying, "better," just more complex by default due to technology et al.

Agree, and regarding the media generally, I'm curious that without the constant demolition of our values by the media over the last, what, 40 years, how simple life for most could actually be? The media, for whatever reasons(ratings? The answer to this would be interesting) found an opening they could exploit--the baser instincts of man in all their manifestations. The world ain't been the same since.

Yea, I get the drift, alright; moreover, this is a phenomenon I've observaed happening right here in my own neighborhood among the children.

This is without a doubt the saddest chapter of teevee's legacy, and why folks I know that are of a particular religious denomination do not own, nor will they watch any teevee. They may be wiser than the rest of us, but it gives 'em little chance to study the enemy either...

Might also go light years toward explaining -- precisely why -- there are so very many profoundly unhappy & disillusioned people these days, as opposed to our youth, too.

A mouthful there bud. People once tried to keep up with the Joneses and were only disappointed when they couldn't make it. Now people are totally disillusioned by trying to keep up with the teevee Joneses; they will sell their soul in the effort.

I haven't taken the time to look into the Nielsen types yet, but I'm still interested in how they may have contributed to the morass and malaise.

Til we meet again ; )

FGS

"Again, paying particular attention to the WorldNews/EveningNews/NightlyNews part of the whole. To me this is where the major damage is inflicted. This is where the on air mush is put into perspective...THEIRS!"

Well of course it's "their" propaganda; it's their "product," FGS.
Sure ain't our's; hell's bells, I sure don't want that fecal matter attributed to me! :o)

"50+ million people watch the network media's perspective every night; most never even suspecting they're being sold a bill of goods. To them it's the unvarnished news."

How true, but be sure to keep the Network's "news" efforts in the proper perspective, here.
Their *news* divisions are but one facet of the whole gem constituting their very being.
People suck-up their *pap* news broadcasts, then, go on to their "entertainment" where they recieve the crucial reinforcement to the "Big Lies," FGS.
I'd dare say if there're 50 million watching the news programs, there must be several times that number sucking-in "entertainment" which is soaked in the same propaganda, possessed of the same message(s), & being absorbed when one's never any more vulnerable than when they *think* they're relaxing.

The Lamestream news mediots are the primary focus of organizations like CCRM, MRC, etc; which, is where good people like yourself come in.
So, it's *not* as if the netwit's *snooze & schmooze* shenanigans have gone or are going totally unnoticed, right?

However...
In my *personal* pursuit of this most interesting phenomenon -- ie, the information "sources" we're feeding our minds from -- I've followed a scent, so to speak.
The scent led me, FGS; not me, the scent.
Understand?

"The other mush on teevee doesn't concern me as much, but only by a few degrees. Granted, it contributes to the overall mind set, but it can be dealt with later???"

Ahhhh but here's where the rubber meets the road; &, you and I -- curiosly enough -- find ourselves at polar opposites, FGS.

You see?
The "army" which'll provide the stiffest resistence to the *kind* of change you & I seek?
Will most assuredly be comprised of the goons who're consumming all those empty hours of, "mush teevee," FGS.
Those people, the "several times 50 million" will be the *grunts* who'll mindlessly fall rank after rank in the "Cultural War."
A, "Cultural War" -- I personally feel -- has already been lost, incidentally.

The way I see it?
My (~& yours too) only "salvation" -- at this time -- is in the fact the opposition cannot *see* us, yet.

Now look, I fully understand my use of metaphors & analogy ad nauseum in expressing myself isn't an easy thing to follow, per se; nonetheless, it's the best I can do.
I never in my darkest dreams (as a kid) ever imagined myself for a single moment entangled in an, "Us v.s. Them" scenario; let alone, it'd happen right in the country of my birth.
So, "prepared" to deal with this situation, analyze what's going on properly, accurately, effieciently & least of all, effectively?
I am not.

But by the same tolken; nor, can I ever ignore what I'm seeing, either.
My sense of its presence is way too strongly to just turn my back, or, simply pretend it doesn't exist.
Which as far as I'm concerned, seems to be a popular SOP (of sorts) for an overwhelming number of people from within our own ranks, FGS.
For that reaso, then, it won't be too much longer when I will simply go away, take care of my own, share thoughts on this with a precious few, & let the chips fall where they may.
I will not become a victim of "Let no good deed go unpunished", axiom; I cannot & will not permit that to happen to me or my family.
(~& you know I'm correct, here; because you're a man of faith, have read of these times before, in your Bible.)

"Likely true to some degree; maybe to a large degree, and wouldn't surprise me in any case."

Good.
Then, "Forewarned IS forearmed."
Never any truer than we're finding the situation, these days.
Not when the nation's population appears under some kind of a head-up-their-ass *spell*? (~in honor of today's pagan holiday so many seem to be celebrating? ;^) )

"Shades of Goebbels."

Oh my dear God, what they're doing today makes Goebbels look like a pathetic, rank amatuer in the extreme.

"But for this conspiracy to work, all players must remain on board either willingly or unwillingly."

Why?
Where do you SEE the "choice" we once enjoyed in this nation anymore, FGS??
One's "on board" by defualt, for chrissakes; as, there simply ain't no other game in town, don'tcha see.
Look at the music industry, for example; then, compare that mess to politics, morals, ethics, patriotism -- anything -- & you'll see we're down to at the most two choices.

"The biggest scam/con possibly is being run on the financiers of this whole charade...the sponsors."

HA!!
Think so?
Haven't delved into ACNielsen et al as of yet; because, as I said before I didn't think it necessary.
Why?
Because these outfits are merely gauging the *effectiveness* of the "Big Lie" as it applies towards product sold.
That's *it*.
They're "messengers" in the truest sense of the word; and, FGS?
We all realize the futility of, "shooting the messenger," right?

"Corporatism notwithstanding, I really have trouble believing that corporate America would willingly support the subversive vomit called network news. I could be wrong."

{g} ~yea.
You could be.
"Corporate America" has already sold their soul(s) to the Devil; long, looooong ago.
But; I'm patient.
Will await for you to arrive at this conclusion just as I have.
You have every right to take all the time you need, too; Lord knows I took forevermore & a day, myself.

"Furthermore, what chances if any are there, the networks themselves are being conned (willingly?) by the likes of Nielsen, Pew, etc...the EXPERTS in the fields of market/audience research?"

Dunno, who's to say?
I cannot find any advantage in their doing so, myself.
ACNielsen could be an actual *property* of the Nets -- kinda *like* who ownes the AP -- but, their phoney ratings numbers paid for by the advertisers would STILL have to translate into actual hard, real sales $$s.
Oh they could lie, alright; but, the lie would in fact be to themselves, eh?
That baloney works very well with Socialist ideology -- we know that -- but, not in capitalism; where, *truth* (be that as it may) can certainly be measured against any verbal bullshit.

And how can a business leader/upper management type be faulted for following the advice of an expert, particularly when everyone does it? CYA is rampant at the networks like a lot of other places I suspect."

Your *suspicions* are spot-on, my friend; make no mistake about that.
However, where's the *significance* in anyone's practice of "CYA" these days?
How I love listening to Rush rail on & on about what a Fortune Top 500 CEO will do these days first thing upon appointment.
How these *CEO*s will spend HUGE STOCKHOLDER $$s hiring clowns called "consultants" -- by the score -- just to surround themselves with; hence, insulate 'em from accountability.
Insultate themselves from any & all risk inherent with conducting "business" in a capitalist system such as our's, since the beginning of our Republic??
HA!!
Yea, corp falls on their ass?
Fire the *consultant(s)*.
Right?
You're not going to be finding any "truths" among the nation's corps or their ceos, FGS.
Truly my friend, "Nothing here, move-on.".

"I doubt we really disagree that much on this. I was primarily focusing on the network news which IMO is the most dangerous aspect of the networks' programming simply because so many people believe it really is news and don't recognize it as the propaganda it truly is."

And what you & the others have done & do at CCRM, y'all been doing extremely well too, if I may say.
If &/or when you do expand your horizons, though?
The transition I'll wager will be out of necessity; because, FGS?
You too will be compelled, "to follow the scent"; just, as I had & have.

"The other programming is dangerous and insidious in its appeal, and probably picks off its share of conservatives as well, but how much is passed off as political gospel especially?"

Well more than you'd think, I must believe.
Or phrased another way, a hellova lot more than you're particularly comfortable believing, anyway.
Huh? :o)

"Agree, and regarding the media generally, I'm curious that without the constant demolition of our values by the media over the last, what, 40 years, how simple life for most could actually be?"

I often think that very thing, myself.
So you're certainly not alone in your sentiments, a'tall.
Recall how I'd said these people in their hellbent pursuit of power had in one way or another made my pursuit of the things in my life which're important to me, unnecessarily difficult?
That was exactly what I was trying -- albeit poorly, granted -- to address.

"The media, for whatever reasons(ratings? The answer to this would be interesting) found an opening they could exploit--the baser instincts of man in all their manifestations. The world ain't been the same since."

Well...the *media* didn't invent evil, did they?
They just provided a means to the Beast to reach so very many more souls than It could've otherwise.

"This is without a doubt the saddest chapter of teevee's legacy, and why folks I know that are of a particular religious denomination do not own, nor will they watch any teevee. They may be wiser than the rest of us, but it gives 'em little chance to study the enemy either..."

Somehow, I don't think those sects of people -- in pursuit of finding the meaning of their God -- are very interested in "studing the enemy."
Something whispers to me they're acutely aware of who the *players* are, what are the stakes, & why it's important for them to simply keep their eyes moving forward.

"A mouthful there bud. People once tried to keep up with the Joneses and were only disappointed when they couldn't make it. Now people are totally disillusioned by trying to keep up with the teevee Joneses; they will sell their soul in the effort."

Yup.
Just callin' 'em like I see it, FGS; and, you know what?
"Seein' it" all from right in front of my small window right here at this computer, too.
Kinda sad, I've often been left feeling.
Just a notion life should never be viewed through a window.

"I haven't taken the time to look into the Nielsen types yet, but I'm still interested in how they may have contributed to the morass and malaise."

Just the messengers, FGS, just messengers.
If anything, these ACNielsen *types* are much like "Lawyers" in that they survive on other's misery.
So the worst I could say about 'em might be they're leechs, the basest of base parasites.
The, "worst," HA!! ;^)

"Til we meet again."

Well that did it.

...there's gonna be *talk*, now. :o)

"Indeed; I thought that might get a rise out of ya."

HA!
You ol' fox!
Then again; I ain't real hard to figure-out either, huh?

"Precisely my point, and case in point IMO, corporate America actually funding the dissolution of our free market system."

Yup.
Making a damned good buck doing so, too.
Don't neglect the motive fueling their behavior, now.
Might miss the point & that'd be a real shame. {g}

"Likely unwilling participants I would submit."

I'd disagree. (*shock*!)
You strike me as bent on believing there exists some connection between, "capitalism," & "christianity."
That's the crux of your statement -- from my POV -- anyway.
While I'm insisting there is no such animal.

"Nice finish last" ~in everything; and, no where is this truer than business in America.
Big Business couldn't care less what your children or grandchildren do, FGS; so long as they're (the *product*) the one's to win the kid's dollars in the marketplace.

"But, if they want their logo and products front and center in the minds of the mindless, the have to pay the piper media."

Well, they have to deal with the *ad* agencies, first; truth be known.
Now for another deje vu moment; remember our discussion at the CCRM private site concerning the role(s) ad agencies are playing in all this shit??
Remember where we discussed these agencies are geographically located, who staffs 'em & the psych profiles of these people thereof?
I do; never forgot.

"I used to think the sponsor/media relationship was a symbiotic one; I'm not so sure any more. It's beginning to take on the appearance of a parasitic relationship. The media parasites will ultimately destroy the host, or at the very least destroy the foundation on which the host, and you and I, stand."

It's *symbiotic*, alright; although, the socialist elite do what people in control, possessed the reins of power have always done.
That is, further secured & if possible, bolster their position & lock on said power.
They want more.

That they've schemed innovative *ways* in which the available pie-of-power will be divided amounst themselves -- in light & recognition of -- the immense new meglo-media monster we're talking about, shouldn't come as any surprise.
Not to you -- of all people -- anyway.
Live & prosper they will; &, you may make no mistake about that.
Regardless of what the prevelent ideology de jour we little folks have forced upon us might be for the moment.

"Possibly. It's also possible they are part and parcel of the big lie. Remember, all lies must be constantly nurtured and repeated if they are to be effective. A supporting cast of characters if you will."

Really?
*Facinating* stuff.
You mean like the *other* facets of the media *gemstone* we were speaking about last posting?
The facets ("sports" "entertainment" et al) you asked we, "set aside"?
Who'd a thunk it. ;^)

"And consider that Nielsen's and others' analysis and research could just as easily be a sham as well. For example, the target demographic the mush it designed to appeal to may not make any difference at all, but it is a convenient rationale for presenting the mush."

They *made* the mush, FGS; they're not *appealing* to it.
A splendid example of misapplied power, if anyone asked me.

"I suppose aiming at the simple minded amongst us makes sense simply because they are the most impressionable; the easiest mark."

Not *just* the most impressionable; this pool consitutes the largest segment.
They created 'em so yea, they'll now play to 'em, as well.
You didn't really think they'd work for our approval, did you?
Most of our generation abdicated our parental responsibilities to these SOBs ("institutions" like education, media et al) long ago; so much so, they've been programming & then feeding off the kids of our kids, for some time now.
We're several generations *removed*, ol' boy!!
BTW; welcome to the future. {g}

I really have no clue as to your actual age, FGS; but, there was once an extremely precient R&R group who -- in their day -- penned some of the most insightful, ominous prediction of *our* future via their lyrics.
Certainly the finest I'd ever read, to be sure.
In *one* of the songs they'd written, they state:
"And when the band you're in starts playing different *tunes*, I'll see you on the dark side of the moon."

Listened to the tunes your band has been playing, lately?
If you have, you shouldn't be able to recognize a single note.
~eh?? :o)

"The whole house of cards(the BIG LIE) is having to be constantly propped up somehow, and somebody has to fund the whole Godforsaken mess; that'd be sponsors, and in the final analysis...US."

Yea-yea...never could stand the thought of a leech sucking off of me, either.
As for that house of cards collapsing??
Wished I knew when/if that'd happen.
But alas, I'm not clairvoyant & everytime I have tried predicting human nature?
I just continue to look sillier than the time before.
So, these days I try restricting my reading of "crystal balls," to simply watching.

"Ironic isn't it? Not unlike Dims and Pubbies. The Pubbie voting base is supporting the Dim voting base. But I digress."

Oh the analogy fits just about everything, y'know.
Happens anytime one listens closely to the music being played by their band, huh?

"Well bud, another rant for cyberspace."

HA!!
Feels good, though.
And until the Robinson people get fed-up with our kind & give us the boot, let's just enjoy the opportunity.
Won't last forever.

"I wish to God we could nail these BA$TARDS for what they've done and are doing to MY country. Can we still hang people for treason? Just curious."

Sure; but, your curiosity might just be sated in the damnest of ways when all's said & done.
I mean, just imagine the "look of terminal shock in your eyes" when you wake up from the daydream only to realize *who* it is will be swinging in the wind, for treason!

You'll know instantly, figure it all out.
As you look directly next to you.

...& see me.

You strike me as bent on believing there exists some connection between, "capitalism," & "christianity."

Not really. I have no illusions about any inate good in corporate America. What I do believe is they will do what they think they need to do to survive. However, corporatism has already suffered monumental failures IMO. Enron, World Com, and Global Crossing had developed relationships with a Dim(socialist) government, and it appeared to be working until a new sheriff came to town. "W" would NOT maintain these relationships, particularly with Enron, so they collapsed. "W" did not want to play the corporatism game??? God bless Him!

Looking back, it's almost indicative of one of the several reasons Algore pulled out all the stops in an attempt to steal the '00 election. And why Dims are fighting desperately now to hold on to what little power they have left in the senate. There's more than just a few legislative seats at stake here, it's our form of government, or rather what's left of it, at stake. If the Pubbies can get control for even a few years, I believe the people and corporations in this country would like the fresh air so much the Dims would be nothing but a footnote in our history books. I believe they realize that, and cannot under any circumstances allow it to happen. Moving on...

Remember where we discussed these agencies are geographically located, who staffs 'em & the psych profiles of these people thereof?

Yes I do; Gypsies, tramps, and thieves doesn't miss it much ; )

Really? *Facinating* stuff.

What can I say ; )

I really have no clue as to your actual age, FGS...

56 and counting my man...and the salt and pepper has all but changed to pure salt! I attribute much of that to raising two daughters during these troubling times. I don't mean to brag(much), but they did actually listen occasionally to ol' dad, and they both are stay-at-home moms and true conservatives. They bucked the system; I'm really proud of 'em. ahem...

...but, there was once an extremely precient R&R group...

I vaguely recall the lyrics but can't place the group...a little help?

As for that house of cards collapsing??
Wished I knew when/if that'd happen.

Per above and IMO, IF Pubbies can hang on long enough to make a difference, I believe we could see some huge changes. Big if I know.

You'll know instantly, figure it all out.
As you look directly next to you.

...& see me.

Well, I hope that day never comes because amongst other things it will mean the shooting has started...if there's enough of us left...with the will to fight. Like the pollsters say; it's a tossup.

FGS

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