ATF Officials Warned About Muhammad Last Summer

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[Texas_Jarhead]

The ATF probably had its hands full investigating farmers purportedly in possession of sawed-off shotguns.

[nunya bidness]

The weapon that has allowed authorities to hold him since his arrest was not the rifle identified as the murder weapon.

Huh?

[Shermy]

"He said the pair also mentioned possibly shooting a tanker truck."

A typical target in the terrorist repetoire. I'm not an expert but I'd think a "serial killer" obsesses about one kind of victim or act. Not a variety of types of attacks, which, just "by coincidence", are terroristic.

[infowarrior]

And yet, the BATF attempted to serve up Mr Baker as the "Beltway Rifleman" a week into the incident, since Mr Baker so-neatly fit their prejucices...

the infowarrior

[Sabertooth]

Bellingham police Chief Randy Carroll said Thursday that his agency had met with Singh last summer, but he would not discuss the nature of what Singh said at that meeting -- except that it involved Muhammad and Malvo. Police met again with Singh Wednesday night, Carroll said.

"There was nothing he told us three months ago or last night that would lead us to believe Mr. Muhammad or Mr. Malvo would have the kind of future that led them to where they are today," Carroll said.

Well, blame the tipster! He should have been more informative.

[lindaloo]

What is needed in the United States of America is a national policy and method of implementation to control any threats of terrorism. The laws should not differentiate between home-grown terror and terror from foreign sources. Until we unite on a plan to secure our soil, we will always have the left hand ignorant of what the right hand is doing.

[America's Resolve]

I think the shooting in montgomery AL was with a handgun. That might be the one they're hinting at.

[Route66]

Yes - The ATF or the FBI who received warnings about Mohammed could have saved us from him, and the INS could have saved us from Malvo. Neither did. Something's really broken here.

[El Gato]

The weapon that has allowed authorities to hold him since his arrest was not the rifle identified as the murder weapon. What tripped him up, according to an affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in Seattle, was his possession of a slightly different Bushmaster XM-15 rifle in May 2000. That was after his second wife had obtained a restraining order against him, telling the court she feared for her life. Because the court granted the restraining order, it was illegal for him to possess a firearm.

It looks like the bullets pulled from the stump were not all from the rifle found in the car and tied to the shootings, or maybe none of them were. In any event they were evidence that he possessed a gun while under a domestic violence restraining order, which was enough to hold him on until the tests could show that the one found in the vehicle was the one used in the shootings and thus lead to murder charges.

[El Gato]

How Muhammad came to possess the weapon that was found in his car is another mystery. His second wife had obtained a restraining order against him in Washington state, which should have blocked him from buying the Bushmaster XM-15 assault rifle.

Only if you thing criminals and terrorists will obey the law. I don't think they have the domestic violence restraining orders in the NICS database, so he wouldn't have gotten a "hit" when he went to buy the gun...assuming he bought it from a dealer at all. Just as likely he bought it from the trunk of a car, which is the more usual way for a criminal to get a gun.

[El Gato]

The ATF probably had its hands full investigating farmers purportedly in possession of sawed-off shotguns.

Or liazing with their informants about how to cut a shotgun barrell to 17 3/4 inches or (and even "better" trick) cutting the stock on a break action (single or double) down enough that the overall lenght is 1/4 " less than the minimum allowed before the tax is due.

[spycatcher]

Planning to shoot cops and tanker trucks sounds like terrorism. But cops were probably too dangerous so they settled on any American in their sights.

[spartan]

Does anyone remember when the cell in Portland Ore. was arrested? Seems like a month or so. There was a Detroit connection, a black man by the name of Battle who joined the Army in order to gain skill to become a terrorist. Maybe Mohammed began to feel some heat and went into kill mode.

[fire_eye]

I've said over and over again that with these psychopaths, spree killers, mass murderers, etc. etc. there is *always* *somebody* who knows that they're a threat - and we *often* find out that the cops knew about it and didn't do anything.

Nevertheless, of course, the Lieberals simply howl for more gun control.

We need to hammer this point home in every hearing on these atrocities in which we can make our voices heard. Quit trying to grab all of our guns and blame us for these incidents, and make law enforcement do their job!

The Lieberals are always trying to justify their depradations of our rights by piously intoning that they are merely "Searching For Ways to Prevent These Horrific Crimes", having of course already made up their tiny minds w/r/t the "Solution" they want.

Here we have the *correct* solution - MAKE LAW ENFORCEMENT ACCOUNTABLE when they DON'T ACT on tips like this!

[browardchad]

Does anyone remember when the cell in Portland Ore. was arrested?

It was early in the morning of Friday, Oct. 4. Muhammad and Malvo started their Muslim good-will tour on Oct. 2 in Montgomery County. For warm-ups, though, they killed a woman in Alabama on Sept. 21 -- and there was a Sept. 14 shooting in Montgomery County (also an employee of a liquor store) that fits the MO, but there weren't sufficient fragments to make a match (according to ATF, anyhow).

I have a strong suspicion that the spree started on 9/11/02, but either those attempts weren't successful, or no one's made the connection yet.

I also have a question that been kicking around in my head. If the INS goes to the trouble of fingerprinting illegal aliens (before they don't deport them), what the heck do they do with the fingerprints? Alabama LE had a fingerprint in September, but didn't have a match until the sniper actually bragged about the shooting to the task force -- more proof that our alphabet agencies don't share info with local LE, or with each other, for that matter.

[per loin]

There was also a Muslim from Tacoma, who was tied into setting up the terrorist training camp in Oregon.Of course there's no connection between any of these Islamic terrorists' just coincidences.

[calawah98]

Local Wash news said he bought the gun from a gun shop in Tacoma. Also said he had bought another one from a gun shop.

[Betty Jo]

The Caprice co-owner,Osborne, is an illegal also!