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1,000 Republican Students Denied Right to Vote
Generation GOP - Arkansas ^ | Oct. 22, 2002

Posted on 10/24/2002 2:35:49 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl

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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Just because Democratic leaders in the state and the governor are outraged doesn't mean that the law doesn't say what it says, namely that students must vote where they were domiciled prior to beginning their studenthood.

If they're outraged, they should quick like bunnies pass a new law saying that students can re-register whenever and whereever they happen to hang their hats that particular day, opening the door to vote manipulation by packing of college campuses with political operatives. Watch for college campii in tight-race districts to see significant enrollment increases.
141 posted on 10/24/2002 6:02:46 PM PDT by mvpel
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To: another cricket
And if their home prior was Arkansas?

Cute.


142 posted on 10/24/2002 6:04:33 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: mvpel
I agree and motels would be likely included as well. The state law would have to be re-written and voted on.

It is a interesting problem for some, but certainly not disenfranchisment, as claimed.

We must see that the principle of legal permanent domicile must be upheld for a multitude of reasons.

143 posted on 10/24/2002 6:07:35 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: another cricket
That could be very confusing. So if I move out of my parents home into a dorm then I don't need to re-register. But if I move out of my parent’s home into an off campus apartment then I do?

If you move into a dorm, then presumably you're going to return home during the summer (most universities close their dorms over the summer), meaning that your domicile under the law is still at your parent's home.

If you move into off-campus housing and sign a 9 month student lease, then your domicile is still at your parent's home.

If you move into off-campus housing and sign a year lease and move all your stuff out of your parents' house either into your apartment or into storage and they convert your room into a study, then your domicile is at that apartment.

How hard is that? You're starting to sound like a FloriDUH voter about a butterfly ballot.

144 posted on 10/24/2002 6:08:22 PM PDT by mvpel
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To: mvpel
I think we can kill rats with some other clubs! LOL! I love this forum! We tend to cut to the chase pretty quickly.
145 posted on 10/24/2002 6:12:07 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: mvpel
Nope. Just pointing out that the law is being unevenly applied because students who live off campus or on any other campus are not affected. Nine-month lease may vote even if their parents live in another state. Dorm student may not even if they are from that county.

a.cricket

146 posted on 10/24/2002 6:13:49 PM PDT by another cricket
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Those newly registered students should make certain that they get an ABSENTEE BALLOT PRONTO! If they are excited about voting, then their vote will also count at their home town.

DO IT NOW - GET THE ABSENTEE BALLOT!

147 posted on 10/24/2002 6:23:12 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I want some contact information so I can call up Mr. Thomas and tell him what a FU#*&$# TRAITOR HE IS!!!! I wish I lived in his county! I'd be hot on his a$$!
148 posted on 10/24/2002 6:24:13 PM PDT by YoungKentuckyConservative
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To: JoeMomma
What makes you think that they were not legal residents of Arkansas?

When my husband was in school in Vermont, we voted there. We lived there, and he worked there, but we did not qualify for in-state tuition. In state residency requirements for college tuition are different than residency for voting. Heck, in most states all illegal aliens have to do to vote is get a driver's license.
149 posted on 10/24/2002 6:26:15 PM PDT by Eva
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To: another cricket
Dorm student may not even if they are from that county

They must vote in their home district. WTF is the problem?

150 posted on 10/24/2002 6:26:30 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: mvpel
No, the Judge's ruling applied to one county only...a clearly conservative majority university. Even the ACLU representative says it's unconstitutional...O.k., bad example. (^: From #46:

. "Three words: It is unconstitutional," said Rita Sklar, executive director of the state ACLU. "The right of college students to vote in the place where they attend college is well-established under case law."

Thomas' ruling applies only in the case of students at Ouachita Baptist University and Henderson State University, both in Arkadelphia. It orders the county clerk not to register any more college students who temporarily live in the county and to purge from the voter rolls before the Nov. 5 election any who already are registered.


151 posted on 10/24/2002 6:27:47 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Eva
(Joe came around at post #61) (^:
152 posted on 10/24/2002 6:29:19 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: wirestripper
If they registered using their dorm address are they now allowed to switch back to their home address? Or is it too close to the election?

a.cricket

153 posted on 10/24/2002 6:30:08 PM PDT by another cricket
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To: lepton
In most cases I think the obstacle is determining WHO voted more than once. I'm not an expert on the subject, but I'm under the impression that a large percentage of vote fraud involves people voting under someone else's name. There is no reliable mechanism for getting one's name removed from voter rolls. I lived in Florida for 3 years while attending law school, and was registered to vote there. I wouldn't be at all surprised if my name is stayed on the rolls there long after I left and registered in my new home of Pennsylvania. But if somebody votes under my name in Florida, how on earth can the guilty party be identified?

I'm afraid that prosecuting individual cases, under the current laws and practices, would be incredibly expensive, rarely result in a conviction of anyone who could be located for punishment, and simply not make a dent in the huge problem. The effort and resources would be better applied to other avenues.
154 posted on 10/24/2002 6:41:21 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: MrJingles
oh my gosh, if a judge would only declare that in my county, alachua, fl home of UF.... live would be so much sweeter instead of a liberal bastion.
155 posted on 10/24/2002 6:49:44 PM PDT by libbylu
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To: another cricket
The article is not clear, but it looks like this problem arose when they attempted to register, giving the dorm as a address. The law is clear on this and their registration would be invalid. Therefore any prvious registration would be in force. If this attempt to register illegally is the only registration they made, it would seem like they are SOL or need a judge to allow them to register late in their home district.

This would be my sense of it. I also assume that if they have a drivers license they are likely registered at home. The drivers licence people will not accept a dorm address either.

156 posted on 10/24/2002 6:57:43 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Well, considering that the students in Madison Wisconsin bragged about voting multiple times in the presidential election, and the attention that college students received from John McCain in North Carolina (he threw beer parties), and the fact that the DSA was trying to import college students to Michigan who didn't go to school there, I would say that more states allow students to register than not.

Think about it, the liberals finally have control over these young voters and can influence them to vote their way. Do you really think that the Democrats would pass up on that opportunity in any state?
157 posted on 10/24/2002 6:58:09 PM PDT by Eva
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To: wirestripper
Thank you. That is what I wanted to know. Although it does trouble me that the law is being applied selectively.

a.cricket

158 posted on 10/24/2002 7:03:03 PM PDT by another cricket
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To: another cricket
I have some more on this and will post it as soon as I format it.

There is something that bothers me about the decision. The judge has ordered the rolls purged of all who have registered from the campus. I don't think he can do that. The registrations should have been rejected under current law and after accepted, I don't see how he could purge them without getting into a constitutional problem.

Hang on and I'll post this. I do see a disenfranchisement issue if those purged are not previously registered in their home district and cannot re-register because of the time limitations.. Let me be clear about that.

Wait one!

159 posted on 10/24/2002 7:15:33 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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Judge curbs vote of college students Candidates slam Clark County ruling BY MICHAEL ROWETT, MICHAEL R. WICKLINE AND RODNEY BOWERS ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE

People who live in Clark County temporarily to attend college can't vote in the Nov. 5 election, according to a circuit judge's ruling Tuesday that was widely denounced by figures from both major political parties.

Though limited to college students in Clark County, the ruling signals the possibility that such a decision could be reached if other cases were filed in other counties, potentially affecting campuses from Fayetteville to Monticello, El Dorado to Jonesboro.

Gov. Mike Huckabee, the Republican nominee for governor, was accompanied by his daughter, Sarah, a Clark County student at Ouachita Baptist University, when he called the ruling "an absolute outrage" at a news conference Tuesday afternoon at the Governor's Mansion.

Huckabee said as many as 1,000 college students "have essentially been disenfranchised from their right to vote." Huckabee said the ruling "is absolutely one of the worst things that's happened in Arkansas politics in a long time. I think it shows why we have to see some real changes in the one-party fiefdom that we have operated under."

State Treasurer Jimmie Lou Fisher, Huckabee's Democratic opponent in the race for governor, called the decision "appalling." Secretary of State Sharon Priest, the state's chief election officer, urged the state chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union to oppose the ruling by Clark County Circuit Judge John A. Thomas. "Three words: It is unconstitutional," said Rita Sklar, executive director of the state ACLU. "The right of college stu- dents to vote in the place where they attend college is well-established under case law."

Thomas' ruling applies only in the case of students at Ouachita Baptist University and Henderson State University, both in Arkadelphia. It orders the county clerk not to register any more college students who temporarily live in the county and to purge from the voter rolls before the Nov. 5 election any who already are registered.

It was unclear how many of the 807 people listed on voter rolls with a Ouachita Baptist address or the 112 with a Henderson State address would be affected by the ruling. The lawyer who represented the county clerk in the case said anyone who isn't allowed to vote under Thomas' ruling still may cast a challenged ballot, which could be counted if the judge's ruling is overturned.

The ruling came in response to an Oct. 10 suit filed by Tom Curry of Arkadelphia, a lawyer. Curry sued Clark County Clerk Rhonda Williams, arguing that state law requires college students to register to vote in the county in which their permanent residence is located.

Curry said Tuesday that no one from the state Democratic Party was involved in the lawsuit. He said the governor should have contacted him before insinuating that politics was behind the suit. "The Baptist church I was raised in said it's wrong to bear false witness against one's neighbor," Curry said.

Thomas' ruling said people who move temporarily to a county to attend college remain residents of their former home, rather than becoming residents of the county containing the college they attend.

Priest said later Tuesday that it's illegal to be registered to vote in two counties under Arkansas Code 7-1-103 (12). Attorney General Mark Pryor said in an opinion two years ago that "a college student does not... establish residency for voting purposes by living in the county of the school he is attending nine months out of the year." Attorney general opinions are not legally binding.

Fisher said her campaign is inclusive and she supports allowing everyone in Arkansas the right to register and vote in the election. She called on the secretary of state and the attorney general to appeal Thomas' ruling. The ACLU, Priest and the attorney general would have to become parties to the case to have a role.

"College students are no exception," Fisher said. "They have perhaps the greatest stake of all in this election. It is the responsibility of everyone of legal age to vote, and I find it detestable that anyone would restrict a citizen's access to vote, especially those just beginning to form the habit of voting."

But Curry said based on his reading of state law, it's wrong for someone whose only link to Clark County is attending college to affect the outcome of the county's elections.

"Every time a student who's not a permanent resident of Clark County votes, they decrease the value of my vote," Curry said. "The statute's clear."

Thomas didn't return a telephone message Tuesday seeking comment on his ruling and the criticisms of it.

The ruling cited Arkansas Code Annotated 7-5-201(b) (6), which Curry cited in his complaint.

That statute says, "Persons who are temporarily living in a particular place because of a temporary work-related assignment or duty post or as a result of their performing duties in connection with their status as military personnel, students, or office holders shall be deemed residents of that place where they established their home prior to beginning such assignments or duties."

Sklar said, "It could be that the statute is unconstitutional."

Sarah Huckabee, vice president of Ouachita Baptist's student senate, said she would "do anything I can in order to be able to vote because I feel I have that right and I have earned that right to vote."

She said she served four days on a jury and believes "that kind of gives me my constitutional right to vote in Arkadelphia. I think that by taking that right away from one person threatens the rights of every voter in Arkansas, not just the 1,000 college students there."

Lawyer Ralph Ohm of Hot Springs, who represented Williams, said Williams doesn't have an opinion on whether state law allows or prohibits college students from voting where they go to college.

"Our position is that the county wanted some guidance on what to do on this issue, and the court gave it to us [Tuesday]," Ohm said. "She is not taking a position in this case. If [Thomas'] ruling is overturned, we'll do whatever that ruling says."

Ohm said some of the 807 people listed on voter rolls with a Ouachita Baptist address and the 112 listed with a Henderson address could be permanent residents of the county who live on campus.

Charles Cabe of Gurdon, chairman of the Clark County Republican Party, called the ruling "obviously just party politics."

Cabe said he believes the ruling, issued by a judge who initially sought the bench as a Democrat, selectively addressed Ouachita Baptist students. "There's been a lot of Republican support at Ouachita Baptist, and I feel like that is what's being done," Cabe said.

Circuit judges now run as nonpartisan candidates under a constitutional amendment adopted by voters in 2000. Curry said his lawsuit had nothing to do with politics. "I'm not affiliated with either party," he said. "The right to vote is what it's all about."

Todd Turner of Arkadelphia, the county Democratic chairman and a former Ouachita Baptist student, scoffed at the notion that the ruling was directed at Republican students.

"How would anybody know that?" he asked. "I sure don't think it's a partisan deal. ... It's been a hot topic in this town for many, many years, but the Democratic Party has always stayed out of it."

Jeff Root, an Ouachita Baptist spokesman, declined to take a stand on whether it involved politics. Root said the county clerk's office must be careful, however, in eliminating names from the voter rolls. "I know a lot of Arkadelphia kids who move to campus when they enroll in school," he said.

Curry said he was "not concerned how these students vote. They really need to vote back home." _________________________________________________________________

160 posted on 10/24/2002 7:27:30 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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