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Stardestroyer.net ^ | 2000.11.18 | Michael Wong

Posted on 10/22/2002 2:49:25 PM PDT by Junior

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To: Ready2go; Admin Moderator
How many times are you going to post this crap?

Can't you just put it on your profile page, or your web page, or post a link to it elsewhere?

201 posted on 10/25/2002 9:15:24 AM PDT by balrog666
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To: balrog666
Trying to orbit science around darwin...

is like trying to put the sun in orbit around the moon/sand---

HACK/whack-WARDS!

Darwin is not relevant to anything in the universe---reality!

202 posted on 10/25/2002 9:21:14 AM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Ready2go
Thanks for taking the time to post that - very interesting and you did answer my question. Do you have a take on my question in post 195?
203 posted on 10/25/2002 12:53:01 PM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Long Cut
My comrades and I spent many hours on boring deployments discussing this...where were the ENLISTED men, pray tell?

I figured they were the crewmen...

I heard a stand-up routine that went something like this:

Spock: Captain, sensors indicate three new and excruciating ways to die on this new planet.

Kirk: Ok, get a landing party together - you, me, Bones, and three crewmembers...

204 posted on 10/25/2002 12:55:32 PM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: balrog666; All
Their purpose is to spam the thread, hopefully choking off discussion of a topic that they evidently do not care to have discussed freely.

So little confidence in their beliefs, that ANY scientific dissent must be crushed, really says something.

I'm not trying to be rude here, but as good a rulebook for a moral life that The Bible may be, it is NOT a biological or paleontological textbook. Twisting it to fit those roles not only does not work, but demeans the Book itself.

205 posted on 10/25/2002 2:17:57 PM PDT by Long Cut
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To: PatrickHenry
PatrickHenry said: Halleluya! I finally scrolled to the end of your eight-screen post. At first I thought it was a near-death experience, but it was only terminal boredom.


Well mercies PatrickHenry;

I thought all of you guys were into evolution so much. At least I see all the battles going on about it. You all are thrilled at all the SF stories and here is what is really going to happen to you & you shun it???

Isn't the whole idea of the "theory of evolution" meaning over time all things change?

ev·o·lu·tion Pronunciation Key (v-lshn, v-)n.
A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form. See

Synonyms at development.

The process of developing.
Gradual development.

Can't you see your body changing from year to year? God tells us we have 70 some years down here on earth...some a little more...some a little less.

You personally are going to experience this change to your body someday when you die and none of us are promised a tomorrow. One second we're here and the next second we could be in eternity.

God is telling you and giving you first hand eye witness's to the process of (what you would call evolution) and you think it's boring?

How all these folks (millions of them) have died and find themselves changed from having a physical body to having a spiritual body that lives forever in either Heaven or Hell and you don't want to hear about it?

God tells you how your body is going to change & you'll be living forever and you find it boring?

You can see all the glories of the Universe, but want to deny the Creator of it all? Just read a few lines from the Bible and think about it...ok?

1 Cor 15:35 But someone may ask, "How will the dead be brought back to life again? What kind of bodies will they have?"

1 Cor 15:36 What a foolish question! You will find the answer in your own garden! When you put a seed into the ground it doesn't grow into a plant unless it "dies" first.

1 Cor 15:37 And when the green shoot comes up out of the seed, it is very different from the seed you first planted. For all you put into the ground is a dry little seed of wheat or whatever it is you are planting,

1 Cor 15:38 then God gives it a beautiful new body--just the kind he wants it to have; a different kind of plant grows from each kind of seed.

1 Cor 15:39 And just as there are different kinds of seeds and plants, so also there are different kinds of flesh. Humans, animals, fish, and birds are all different.

1 Cor 15:40 The angels in heaven have bodies far different from ours, and the beauty and the glory of their bodies is different from the beauty and the glory of ours.

1 Cor 15:41 The sun has one kind of glory while the moon and stars have another kind. And the stars differ from each other in their beauty and brightness.

1 Cor 15:42 In the same way, our earthly bodies which die and decay are different from the bodies we shall have when we come back to life again, for they will never die.

1 Cor 15:43 The bodies we have now embarrass us, for they become sick and die; but they will be full of glory when we come back to life again. Yes, they are weak, dying bodies now, but when we live again they will be full of strength.

1 Cor 15:44 They are just human bodies at death, but when they come back to life they will be superhuman bodies. For just as there are natural, human bodies, there are also supernatural, spiritual bodies.

1 Cor 15:45 The Scriptures tell us that the first man, Adam, was given a natural, human body but Christ is more than that, for he was life-giving Spirit.

1 Cor 15:46 First, then, we have these human bodies, and later on God gives us spiritual, heavenly bodies.

1 Cor 15:47 Adam was made from the dust of the earth, but Christ came from heaven above.

1 Cor 15:48 Every human being has a body just like Adam's, made of dust, but all who become Christ's will have the same kind of body as his--a body from heaven.

1 Cor 15:49 Just as each of us now has a body like Adam's, so we shall some day have a body like Christ's.

1 Cor 15:50 I tell you this, my brothers: an earthly body made of flesh and blood cannot get into God's Kingdom. These perishable bodies of ours are not the right kind to live forever.

1 Cor 15:51 But I am telling you this strange and wonderful secret: we shall not all die, but we shall all be given new bodies!

1 Cor 15:52 It will all happen in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For there will be a trumpet blast from the sky, and all the Christians who have died will suddenly become alive, with new bodies that will never, never die; and then we who are still alive shall suddenly have new bodies too.

1 Cor 15:53 For our earthly bodies, the ones we have now that can die, must be transformed into heavenly bodies that cannot perish but will live forever.

1 Cor 15:54 When this happens, then at last this Scripture will come true-- "Death is swallowed up in victory."

1 Cor 15:55 O death, where then your victory? Where then your sting? For sin--the sting that causes death--will all be gone; and the law, which reveals our sins, will no longer be our judge.

1 Cor 15:57 How we thank God for all of this! It is he who makes us victorious through Jesus Christ our Lord!

1 Cor 15:58 So, my dear brothers, since future victory is sure, be strong and steady, always abounding in the Lord's work, for you know that nothing you do for the Lord is ever wasted as it would be if there were no resurrection.

2 Cor 4:17 These troubles and sufferings of ours are, after all, quite small and won't last very long. Yet this short time of distress will result in God's richest blessing upon us forever and ever!

2 Cor 4:18 So we do not look at what we can see right now, the troubles all around us, but we look forward to the joys in heaven which we have not yet seen. The troubles will soon be over, but the joys to come will last forever.

2 Cor 5:1 For we know that when this tent we live in now is taken down--when we die and leave these bodies--we will have wonderful new bodies in heaven, homes that will be ours forevermore, made for us by God himself and not by human hands.

2 Cor 5:2 How weary we grow of our present bodies. That is why we look forward eagerly to the day when we shall have heavenly bodies that we shall put on like new clothes.

2 Cor 5:3 For we shall not be merely spirits without bodies.

2 Cor 5:4 These earthly bodies make us groan and sigh, but we wouldn't like to think of dying and having no bodies at all. We want to slip into our new bodies so that these dying bodies will, as it were, be swallowed up by everlasting life.

2 Cor 5:5 This is what God has prepared for us, and as a guarantee he has given us his Holy Spirit.

2 Cor 5:6 Now we look forward with confidence to our heavenly bodies, realizing that every moment we spend in these earthly bodies is time spent away from our eternal home in heaven with Jesus.

2 Cor 5:7 We know these things are true by believing, not by seeing.

2 Cor 5:8 And we are not afraid but are quite content to die, for then we will be at home with the Lord.

2 Cor 5:9 So our aim is to please him always in everything we do, whether we are here in this body or away from this body and with him in heaven.

2 Cor 5:10 For we must all stand before Christ to be judged and have our lives laid bare--before him. Each of us will receive whatever he deserves for the good or bad things he has done in his earthly body.

2 Cor 5:11 It is because of this solemn fear of the Lord, which is ever present in our minds, that we work so hard to win others. God knows our hearts, that they are pure in this matter, and I hope that, deep within, you really know it too.
206 posted on 10/25/2002 4:59:02 PM PDT by Ready2go
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To: Ready2go
Getting better. Insead of your 8-screen load of mindless glop, now we're down to only 5 screens of glop. But your posts are still mindless glop.
207 posted on 10/25/2002 5:13:34 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry; Ready2go
But your posts are still mindless glop.

Darwin Central calling all sons of pond scum.

26 posted on 10/24/02 7:49 PM Central by PatrickHenry


208 posted on 10/25/2002 5:37:18 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: PatrickHenry
But your posts are still mindless glop.

Darwin Central calling all sons of pond scum.

26 posted on 10/24/02 7:49 PM Central by PatrickHenry


209 posted on 10/25/2002 5:38:33 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: PatrickHenry
But your posts are still mindless glop.

Darwin Central calling all sons of pond scum.

26 posted on 10/24/02 7:49 PM Central by PatrickHenry


210 posted on 10/25/2002 5:40:14 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Ready2go; PatrickHenry
But your posts are still mindless glop.

Darwin Central calling all sons of pond scum.

26 posted on 10/24/02 7:49 PM Central by PatrickHenry


211 posted on 10/25/2002 5:40:49 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: PatrickHenry
But your posts are still mindless glop.

Darwin Central calling all sons of pond scum.

26 posted on 10/24/02 7:49 PM Central by PatrickHenry


212 posted on 10/25/2002 5:56:43 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Ready2go; Admin Moderator
Oh, come on, the same crap again!?????

Buy a web page, spammer!

213 posted on 10/25/2002 6:34:20 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: Junior
What? No comments?

Of course I do! (reply to Post# 82 ).

Progressionism: Everywhere in the world, if you dig for fossils, you will find that as you get deeper, the fossils become simpler. This trend is known as progressionism and it indicates that highly evolved animals occupy only a small, recent portion of the fossil record,

This is not as clear cut as one might think. Problem is that we cannot tell from fossils just how complex an organism is. We do not get DNA from fossils, we do not know how they lived, we do not know in many cases how they reproduced, and we do not know of the unique features of these organisms from fossils either. So we cannot verify in any way the 'evolutionary tree' which evolutionists keep claiming to be true. In fact we keep finding problems with it such as the Cambrian explosion and just this week (see Evolution Upset: Oxygen Making Microbes Came Last, Not First ) we find that a bacteria assumed by evolutionists to be 3.5 billion years old is over a billion years more recent than that. Sort of puts into question evolutionists claims of the accuracy of their dating methods which of course are totally essential for this claim being true.

Homology: Profound similarities between different species (in conjunction with their geographical placement) were the original motivation for Darwin's theory of evolution. To put it simply, when two species are so similar that they seem as if they're related, then perhaps they are related.

There are a few problems with the above as proof of evolution. First 'similar' is not a scientific term. It means whatever a person wants it to be. Are twins similar - certainly. Are two Caucasians similar - depends on what you are comparing. Are blacks and whites similar - depends again on what you are looking at. Are men and monkeys similar - again depends. So homology is essentially a whatever you want it to be term, it is not science.

The second problem with homology is that there are numerous examples of homologous features which in no way are due to descent. Evolution claims that complex features can arise gradually through descent and that each feature builds upon what came before. However, if the same features can arise in totally diverse species who did not descend from each other then this proposition is totally false. Homology does not prove descent. Since paleontology is almost solely based on homology, then the findings of paleontology cannot prove descent and cannot prove evolution, in fact they disprove it since homologous features are indeed found in totally unrelated species.

Lastly, the argument of homology being proof of evolution is false. An intelligent designer would not keep reinventing the wheel, so it is not an argument against an intelligent designer that features found in one species are similar to the features in another. Because of the problem with similar features being found in totally unrelated species, these similarities favor intelligent design more than they favor evolution.

Transformed organs: Some related species have similar organs in similar places, with subtly altered functions. For example, flies differ from most flying insects by having one pair of wings rather than two, but the rear pair of wings is not gone- it has been transformed into a pair of gyroscopic organs (halteres) which aid in directional control.

Again, this argument favors intelligent design more than evolution. Why would the flies have developed stabilizers instead of wings if it was working fine in other similar species? Evolutionists have no response for this. One must note that such a transformation would require more than one change in the organism and that therefore the species would be less fit during the time it would take all the changes to occur than before such a change had taken place. Evolution has no answer to this problem which occurs in all transformations.

Poor design: Many biological structures are obviously "jury-rigged", ie- they are trial and error modifications upon pre-existing structures which don't work very well in their current application.

This is a theological argument and not science, so there is no need to address it.

Vestigial features: The human appendix serves no useful function but it corresponds to the cecum of the alimentary canal of many other mammals. It can be removed without detriment, and it creates a serious infection hazard that can lead to death; hardly a good idea!

The appendix has been found to have an important role in early life. The above is one of many evolutionist assumptions which have been totally disproven. The tonsils also have a role to play against infection. Evolutionists seem to think that everything that cannot be ascertained is fodder for their story telling. When it was found that 95% of DNA did not code for proteins, they immediately made the claim that this was 'junk DNA' and was the remnants of genes from ancestor organisms. This moronic and totally baseless assumption has been totally disproven. Scientists call such DNA 'non-coding' and it is the source of the complexity of organisms and what really makes them tick. In fact it is the non-coding DNA that makes organisms work, the genes just do what the non-coding DNA tells them to do.

Parasites and diseases: Most parasites have evolved to specialize so that they require another life form, sometimes retaining structural evidence of a previous, free-living evolutionary ancestor.

The above is a totally unsubstantiated assumption by evolutionists. Viri, bacteria and other parasites have been and are continuously examined in laboratories. Research goes on everyday trying to find out how they work. They are constantly attacked with everything imaginable from chemicals to radiation. Not a single one of these organisms has ever been seen to have transformed itself into another organism which is more complex or different from the original.

Geographical distribution: If God made thousands of...

Another theological argument. It is very doubtful that atheists know God's will. Further there is no reason why a Creator should create the same species over and over again in different places.

Paleontology: The fossil record demonstrates that the structure of animals has historically been consistent with their environmental conditions.

Oh please! We do not know how species lived and behaved from bones, let alone what the environmental conditions were of their existence. In fact, we use evidence of what species lived in an area to tell whether that area was a sea hundreds of millions of years ago or land. This argument is totally bogus.

Observed adaptation: It is hopefully common knowledge that bacteria have been constantly adapting to survive the antibiotic assaults of mankind.

The organisms that mutate to resist antibiotics are less viable under normal circumstances than those who have not mutated. This is not a change which creates greater complexity either as evolution requires. As to the moths, both spotted and white moths existed before the industrial revolution, they both exist now that the skies have been cleaned up. In addition, the 'scientist' who did the study has been proven to have falsified his data. This does not bother evolutionists of course but it should bother those who believe that science must be truthful.

214 posted on 10/26/2002 7:55:21 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: balrog666
How many times are you going to post this crap?

Funny, I am on these threads all the time and I had not seen it before. Why is it garbage? Because you cannot refute it? Why is it garbage? Because it gives proof against your beliefs?

The evolutionists have been going on about science fiction on this thread for over a hundred posts. It has nothing to do with the article or the subject of the thread. Seems to me that that is spamming, that is garbage, that has nothing to do with anything. Perhaps since you think you are the appointed cop on these threads you should complain to the moderator about the spamming by yourself and your friends.

215 posted on 10/26/2002 8:01:12 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: PatrickHenry
But your posts are still mindless glop.

Funny coming from you who only posts insults and mindless nonsense which has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

It is also very interesting that even though the article is by an evolutionist attacking those opposed to it, the evolutionists are spamming it so that nobody reads the thread! Seems to me you folk know that it is evolution which is the pseudo-science and cannot support it with evidence.

216 posted on 10/26/2002 8:06:05 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: All
Placemarker (if you know what I mean).
217 posted on 10/26/2002 8:09:40 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Coin of the realm (I DO know what you mean!)
218 posted on 10/26/2002 8:50:16 AM PDT by Condorman
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To: gore3000
Funny, I am on these threads all the time and I had not seen it before.

No surprise here. You've already proven, time and again, that you don't remember the previous threads, the previous facts, and your previous errors, misstatements, and misunderstandings.

219 posted on 10/26/2002 10:10:07 AM PDT by balrog666
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To: balrog666
No surprise here.

So where are the numerous threads where post# 197 has been on? All you do is make unsubstantiated attacks and call everyone that opposes evolution a liar. Let's see you back up your attempt to silence opposing views.

220 posted on 10/27/2002 4:10:40 AM PST by gore3000
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