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VT Christian Homeschooling Mom Taken Away In Shackles!
The Curmudgeon: A Vermont Newsletter | 10/17/02 | Cindy Wade

Posted on 10/21/2002 9:45:25 AM PDT by Truant Mom

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To: ReadMyMind
If you don't like it, you have three reasonable options:

1. Work through the system to change the law.

Absolutely NOT!!! I flat out REJECT the notion that free citizens are under ANY OBLIGATION to "work" for the "privilge"(sarcasm) of exercising or retaining their unalienable rights.

2. Don't have children.

Also unacceptable. NONE OF THE STATE'S business!

3. Move out of the USA.

Again, as an American citizen, I am under no obligation to do so. My unalienable and parental rights fully exist on every square inch of American soil.

21 posted on 10/21/2002 11:53:38 AM PDT by southern rock
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To: AppyPappy
I remember a thread about this O'Dell woman from sometime earlier in the summer. As I recall, she is barely literate, practically homeless, earning very little income...and is trying to homeschool her kids. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
22 posted on 10/21/2002 12:06:05 PM PDT by Diverdogz
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To: Diverdogz
She probably couldn't wake them in time for the bus. I know a local woman like that. Five kids and they miss 20% of school.
23 posted on 10/21/2002 12:13:01 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Diverdogz
The barely literate is a concern, but not the rest. The circumstances of their homelessness are revealed and it sounds as though they were getting the support they needed to get a new home. Only thing that I don't believe about the "barely literate" part is that they said she expected TOO MUCH of her children. Now how could a barely literate mother be expecting too much of her children educationally and in relation to the public school? It makes no sense first they say she is neglecting their education, then they say her expectations are too high. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense what is coming out of the only parties we are hearing from--the authorities and social services.
24 posted on 10/21/2002 12:13:19 PM PDT by glory
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To: glory
I don't know what state you live in where your public schools have allowed to deteriorate to the point where a kid cannot get an education and do so without being abused.

I live in Minnesota. The worst two school districts (from a test-score standpoint) are Minneapolis and St. Paul. Not a big surprise. Lots of poor folks and immigrants live in the core cities and they either produce dumb kids or don't push them to get educated. My older kid attends a public elementary school in St. Paul. She doesn't get abused and she does get taught and helped with her studies. She's learning. She likes going to school. The kids in her school are learning, they are relaxed, and they are happy.

If that's not the case where you live, you ought to consider working to change the system or moving.

Opting-out seems ultimately futile because the products of the abandoned and deteriorated school system (undereducated and savage children) will simply rob and kill our offspring at some point in the future.
25 posted on 10/21/2002 12:18:02 PM PDT by ReadMyMind
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To: southern rock
You obviously live in some fantasy version of America. You have know unalienable parental rights. Good luck avoiding the Nanny State.
26 posted on 10/21/2002 12:39:46 PM PDT by ReadMyMind
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To: AppyPappy
Not necessarily. Sometimes local authorities just want to "make an example". Sometimes someone has a grudge against the person involved and makes a groundless complaint, which brings the person to the attention of the authorities.
27 posted on 10/21/2002 1:59:00 PM PDT by I still care
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To: I still care
Rather ironic they picked this nutcase then. Sounds like a self-fulfilling prophesy.
28 posted on 10/21/2002 2:01:01 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Truant Mom
W.T.F. is going on in our Republic???!!
29 posted on 10/21/2002 2:01:35 PM PDT by timestax
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To: Truant Mom
poor Mrs. O'Dell; and I see Vermont has a group of storm troopers loose.
30 posted on 10/21/2002 2:19:07 PM PDT by Red Jones
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Vermont has a group of storm troopers loose. 30 posted on 10/21/02 2:19 PM Pacific by Red Jones [

YIKES !!!!!

31 posted on 10/21/2002 2:20:41 PM PDT by timestax
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To: AppyPappy
Some interesting cases currently being dealt with by HSLDA:

DeSantis v. Mullvain Social workers enter home without consent

Filed: March 2, 2000, Central District of California.

Nature of Case: A home schooling family's civil rights lawsuit against two San Bernardino County social workers has been settled for $40,000. The social workers had insisted upon entry into the DeSantis home to investigate allegations of physical abuse. Mrs. DeSantis told the workers, "You do not have my consent to enter, but the gate is open." The social workers then pushed through the gate and marched into the house. Inside the home, the two younger children were strip-searched and the 7-year-old was subjected to a traumatizing private interview. The DeSantis family sued the social workers for violating their Fourth Amendment right against entry without a warrant.

Mr. and Mrs. T. Hostile School District Forced to Back Down

When HSLDA was contacted: March 2001.

Facts: Mr. and Mrs. T began home schooling in February this year. As required by law, they had filed a "Nonaccredited Private School Report" with the state, and they had withdrawn their children from the public school. However, the school refused to accept the fact that they were home schooling, saying, "The State of Kansas may have to recognize you but we don't." The public school demonstrated their prejudice against home schooling by ignoring their own truancy procedures, including holding a meeting between school personnel and the parents.

Instead, the school then had an Assistant District Attorney file a petition with the court stating that the children were "children in need of services." The petition also demanded that the children be removed, and that Mr. and Mrs. T. pay for all of the children's expenses during the time that they were in foster care.

Our action: HSLDA contacted the prosecuting attorney and explained the law regarding private schools. After he understood the facts better, he had all of the charges against the family dismissed.

32 posted on 10/21/2002 2:21:11 PM PDT by I still care
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To: AppyPappy
Here are some more. I find them interesting reading, especially since I am a homeschooler!

State v. Cathy C. Mother incarcerated three days Filed: February 22, 2001, Stoddard County. Nature of Case: On April 3, 2001, David Gordon of HSLDA persuaded a Stoddard County circuit court judge to dismiss the educational neglect charges against Cathy C and return her son to her custody. When Cathy C withdrew her second-grade son, Ethan, from public school, little did she imagine that she would be in jail two weeks later. After withdrawing Ethan, Ms. C told the juvenile officer she was considering home education. She wrote to the school superintendent requesting information on home schooling. Eight days after her son's withdrawal from the public school, Ms. C recorded a Declaration of Enrollment in Home Education with the recorder of deeds and notified the superintendent by letter. Nevertheless, on February 22, 2001, after only eight days absence from school, Ms. C was charged with educational neglect and arrested one week later. The child was removed from her custody and placed with the father. Ms. C spent three days in jail before she was released on a $750.00 bond. Anita Koller, the FHE regional director, appeared with Ms. C to testify regarding Ms. C's home school curriculum and plans. But no testimony was necessary as the Court dismissed the case without a trial.

And check this one out: - This child isn't even OLD enough to attend school, but the grandmother reported her daughter!

Horn v. Brown Civil rights violated through wrongful arrest Filed: March 1, 2001, U.S. District Court at Jackson. Nature of Case: This civil rights lawsuit for violation of the right to direct the education of one's child and for false arrest arises out of the criminal prosecution of the mother of a five-year-old. The child was not enrolled in public school, but the school official was told by the child's grandmother that the mother was planning to home school and that the child "should be in school." The attendance officer filed the criminal complaint after speaking with Mrs. Horn and learning that she was, in fact, planning to home school. The official admits knowing that the child was not yet compulsory attendance age when he filed. Mrs. Horn was arrested, but the criminal case against her was dismissed upon HSLDA's notice of representation. On March 1, 2001, HSLDA filed a lawsuit on behalf of Mrs. Horn for violation of her civil rights.

33 posted on 10/21/2002 2:32:32 PM PDT by I still care
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To: I still care
bump
34 posted on 10/21/2002 2:35:59 PM PDT by Red Jones
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To: Truant Mom
From the educational background of Mom and Pop it looks like the kids are going to get a real gud ejecation. They are probably humilitated by their parents antics.
35 posted on 10/21/2002 2:38:44 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: glory
Oh, I'll bet the kids are getting sum rael buklarning from this pair.

After escaping this family they will undoubtably be scholars of a superior nature.

What a crock of crap you have to swallow to support O'Dell's antics. Such behavior reflects badly on all those who are homeschooling their kids in subjects other than Nutballism 101.
36 posted on 10/21/2002 2:43:08 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
From the educational background of Mom and Pop it looks like the kids are going to get a real gud ejecation.

And, of course, that is your business, right?

37 posted on 10/21/2002 3:03:22 PM PDT by southern rock
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Such behavior reflects badly on all those who are homeschooling their kids in subjects other than Nutballism 101.

Keep supporting the state in their trampling of parental rights. You are revealing your true sympathies.

38 posted on 10/21/2002 3:04:28 PM PDT by southern rock
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To: AppyPappy
"I guess she cares more about clean fingers than her kids. It only takes one nut to give all homeschoolers a black eye."

Sorry to say AppyPappy but you are a moron by your statement, and don't have a clue about the subject

39 posted on 10/21/2002 3:11:15 PM PDT by SERE_DOC
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To: I still care
Is this the lady that refused to be fingerprinted? If not, I don't see the relation.
40 posted on 10/21/2002 3:15:50 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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