Gays Make Right Turn

Front Page Magazine ^ | October 18, 2002 | Joseph J. Sabia

[FF578]

Do I not have a first amendment right to advocate the changes I suggest? I don't break the law and harrass homosexuals or kill them, but I have a right to work through the established system to, reestablish the laws the nation had at it's founding, just as you have the right to work for the laws you want.

Let me ask you, be honest with your answer. Were our Founders Mentally Unstable and Insane? They made Sodomy, Fornication and Adultery Capital Crimes.

Why were the men who wrote the Constitution not unstable, but I am?

Are we smarter than they? Are we more enlightened? If so when did this new enlightenment come to pass?

I want to return this nation to it's roots. It is not a new or "taliban" idea. It is a Washington, Hamilton, Henry idea.

[Cultural Jihad]

And here: http://www.geocities.com/us-we/wisdom-ages.htm#lust

[rdb3]

I want to return this nation to it's roots.

In each and every way?

[FF578]

No.

[rb22982]

How many executions were there from 1787 to 1900 for fornication, homosexuality and adultery?

[HassanBenSobar]

Sir, the founding fathers were indeed brilliant men. I would not consult them about modern science or medicine, though, and I would not take every word from their era as infallible in OURS. Where does the CONSTITUTION advocate capital punishment for adultery, fornication, and homosexuality?

You may cite archaic statutes that sanction these behaviors, but of course people will attack your position. We may want a more pure, original form of constitutional government, but we don't also want to go back to a society that cured disease with leeches and that was 99% agrarian, with all the social and religious attitudes of the time as well. Or perhaps you support the Salem witch trials as well?

[Double Tap]

I don't give a damn what the Founding Fathers thought about sexual sin. They also thought slavery was OK. Does not mean they didn't also have some good ideas.

You have advocated killing people who have harmed no one. They participate in acts that you find disgusting, as I do. But you want them dead because of it. I know it is none of my business, so long as it does not harm anyone else.

On further thought, I do not think you are insane. You are a disrupter, trying to bait people into following your lead and give Freerepublic a black eye.

[FF578]

Not all the founders thought the Slavery was okay. As for the Sexual Sin you didn't answer my question. Were the founders mentally insane or unstable?

If not, when did the new enlightenment come to pass? Are we smarter than the founders?

[Cultural Jihad]

Their own deeds are what is killing them. To discourage their deeds is to be caring. To be hateful is to say: "Go to hell-in-a-handbasket for all I care."

[Double Tap]

Not all of them thought sexual sin was bad either.

Are we smarter? Maybe not, but we (some of us) have a better understanding of what liberty and justice are.

[FF578]

The ones that I know about:

Virginia executed 1 by hanging.

Massachusettes 5 all by hanging.

Connecticut 2 by hanging.

New York 2 by other method.

[FF578]

You claim that Homosexuality does not harm anyone, but you are wrong. Homosexuality, Adultery, Blasphemy, and Fornication were all ranked with Arson, Burglary, Murder, Rape, Piracy, Treason, Desertion, and Horse-stealing as capital crimes.

Can you tell me the reason behind this?

Why did they founders see these as all crimes worthy of death?

[rb22982]

9 people in over 200 years of the USA's existance. I think I'll pass on the sexual jihad via the government, especially when my tax dollars are paying for it.

[Double Tap]

Their own deeds are what is killing them. To discourage their deeds is to be caring.

I don't have a problem with counsel, or trying to get loved ones to change their behavior. Killing because of sexual misconduct, is something I would never agree with.

[FF578]

Perhaps so few people were executed because people had a better sense of morality?

[MatthewViti]

Gay, Conservative, and FReeper

I don't like to say that i'm gay a lot, but I will here due to the nature of the post. Yes, i'm one hell of a conservative too! I'd just like to let you all know that there are a few gay conservatives out there, but not many. I've met only a few so far. I'd like to run for office someday, but I'd hope me being gay wouldn't matter. One can hope eh?

here are my views on some important issues:

I'm Pro-Israel (the Apple of God's eye)

I'm Pro-Life (aborotion is murder!)

I support improving our military

I believe the US needs to withdraw from the NATO, and the UN

I'm all for the reforming of the courts

Bringing prayer back into schools and getting sex ed out!

I support doing away with Affirmative Action

I believe that foreign aid needs to be drastically reduced

There are many government programs that needs to be ended once and for all!

I'm for a major Immigration reform (CLOSE THE BORDERS NOW!!)

and lastly I believe that Islam is NOT a religion of peace

[Double Tap]

Once again, I don't give a damn what you think the Founding Fathers thought, or what they actually thought. If they thought that sexual sins should be reason for the death penalty, they were wrong. Period.

[Cultural Jihad]

Agreed. I am against the death penalty regardless of the crime, but homosexual sodomy is a form of murder. It destroys both the soul and the body.

[FF578]

That is not what I asked you. I am asking you why do you think they ranked the sexual sins as serious as the other crimes?