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Ballistic Test links Friday shooting to Sniper
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Posted on 10/11/2002 9:57:56 PM PDT by aj1
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posted on
10/11/2002 9:57:56 PM PDT
by
aj1
To: aj1
I never doubted it.
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posted on
10/11/2002 10:06:13 PM PDT
by
aj1
To: aj1
Ballistic Test links Friday shooting to Sniper. A foregone conclusion...
When is the media and LE going to use the T word. What more do they need.........
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posted on
10/11/2002 10:07:46 PM PDT
by
jdontom
To: aj1
Well, this lively, gay old shootin' bastard is having the run of the hillsides, ain't he?
It's too bad that the only the only thing the citizens there have to shoot back are binoculars to attempt to spot "Mr. Finger to You" .
Some of the most stringent and idiotic gun "control" laws? ...and this, or these, guys are nailing people left and right.
What's that God awful thing about people and guns, since the cops are having a hard time with this? Oh yeah, it reads like this...
"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."
God help us if a citizen with sound mind and the right to sight in and kill the bastard actually ended this nightmare.
As if the general population would go out and kill everybody in sight that owned a van with racks on top.
What has been in the water or the food in the northeast that creates this type of mental degeneration and lack of rational thought?
Mercury???
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posted on
10/11/2002 10:16:33 PM PDT
by
Vidalia
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To: Vidalia
"What has been in the water or the food in the northeast that creates this type of mental degeneration and lack of rational thought?"
hate to tell you but this has affected the whole country....
I will go to my grave saying that I feel safer around men that hunt and know how to use guns....
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posted on
10/11/2002 10:29:12 PM PDT
by
cherry
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To: aj1
This perp is having orgasms with the media coverage. If I were running this operation, I'd execute a media blackout.
To: Vidalia
It's too bad that the only the only thing the citizens there have to shoot back are binoculars to attempt to spot "Mr. Finger to You" . Spotsylvania County is gun totin' country. Manassas is a bastion of good ol' boy types who favor guns, too. Virginia allows concealed carry permits. So there's two murders and one wounding in places that permit the people to carry much more than binoculars, and it didn't do any good at all. I'm not saying anything against those who are pro-gun (I am neutral, for the most part, on the gun issue), but I really don't think that a well-armed citizenry would be able to do a whole lot in these particular instances. Considering a (presumably armed) state trooper wasn't able to do anything this a.m., and the fact that there's a likelihood that 25-50% of the people around in the Fredericksburg and Manassas areas at the time of the shootings were carrying concealed weapons...
Well, I just don't think that everyone having guns would do a whole lot of good in this case. May well help in other situations, but I don't believe it would in the sniper cases.
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To: TexVet
I'd still like to know how in depth those ballistic tests are. Are they checking lans and grooves or just the fact that it was from a .223 cal rifle? Fox 5 News, on their post-ballgame news tonight, said that the bullet fragments recovered from this morning's shooting had come from the same weapon. They may have been misspeaking out of ignorance, saying that it was from the same weapon rather than saying it's simply the same type of ammo, I dunno. For previous shootings, media have reported that the same type of ammo was used or merely that the cases were linked based on ballistics evidence, but tonight they specifically said that the bullet fragments had come from the same weapon.
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To: TexVet
I agree - much easier breathing if it's a single nutjob (and a possible with-him-at-the-time accomplice) than an organized group or a handful of people having a shoot-em-up competition. But. There's such an inundation of information, and quite a bit of misreporting simply because there is so much information. The reporters may have gotten it wrong.
Nowhere close to out of the woods yet. The media is a jumble, the police seem incompetent, and the guy/guys will continue killing until there's a huge break in the case. I think there is a bit of unreleased evidence, but I don't think any of it is a show-stopper. Just my theory. Until this guy is caught or killed, I won't be breathing much easier, regardless of how many people are in on the killings.
Sigh.
To: BulletBrasDotNet
And since today he knows the President is getting morning briefings about this and Ari Fleisher (sp?) and the Pentagon are discussing him during briefings. Bet he's saying, "Wow! Now I'm really famous!"
To: poppyseed
"...I'm not saying anything against those who are pro-gun (I am neutral, for the most part, on the gun issue), but I really don't think that a well-armed citizenry ..."
You gave yourself away with the "I'm not saying anything against.....but I really don't think..." statement.
Many folks in Europe thought that they could hide in the caves in the hills till the Nazis "passed through" like a bad wind of sorts, but were sorely surprised.
The National/Socialist mind think was a plague and deserved to be destroyed, don't you think...?
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posted on
10/11/2002 11:02:56 PM PDT
by
Vidalia
To: cherry
Hi Cherry, you asked me a question on a thread last night or night before that I didn't see till much later. I think you asked me about my family in MD. I didn't get to reply.
Sisters and niece in Rockville, nephew in Hagerstown, ex-brother-in-law and his family in Poolesville and vicinity. Lots of friends still there (I grew up in Rockville).
On sis works for Montgomery Co. PD. Other sis lives 5 minutes from Thursday's shootings.
How about your family?
To: Vidalia
I'm not trying to engage you in gun debate, or to say that it's wrong or right or in-between for the citizens of any country to be privately armed. My own views waver quite a bit, but generally land somewhere in the middle on the issue.
I grew up in the rural south and am accustomed to being around people who are armed at all times. It sure doesn't bother me. I'm not against people arming themselves in the least. Me, I don't think I'd want a handgun for myself, but I don't have any issues whatsoever with people who are comfy with the notion of carrying a weapon on their persons, or keeping weapons in their homes or cars, doing so.
What I meant to say, and I phrased it badly because I'm dead on my feet tired, is that I believe that in the sniper cases, you could have every person within 400 yards of the shootings carrying weapons and that it probably wouldn't do any good. Decent snipers - and this guy goes well beyond decent - shoot once, shoot to kill and are very hard to find. I think there are sufficient people carrying concealed weapons in the areas of the Virginia shootings that if an armed citizen were going to do any good against the sniper, s/he already would have. Even the state trooper wasn't able to get the sniper, and he surely had a gun.
I think that concealed carry permits and the willingness of the people to use that right may successfully deter certain types of crime, robberies and the like, but I really don't think there's much an armed private citizen can do to the sniper. At least not until he gets greedier and sloppier. As long as he's firing a single shot and either leaving the scene or lying low, I don't think anyone's going to have a chance to get a shot at him.
I honestly wasn't trying to pick a fight with you or anyone here who is more actively pro-gun than I am. I just don't feel that an armed citizenry is particularly helpful under these circumstances. I do, however, reserve the right to be wrong. ; )
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