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Wichita Case of Black Racist Crime Survivor's testimony horrifies courtroom
The Wichita Eagle ^ | Wed, Oct. 09, 2002 | RON SYLVESTER

Posted on 10/10/2002 9:08:59 AM PDT by GaryMontana

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To: gramho12
I think you are brave to raise your point. But, how would anyone, man or woman, defend themselves against armed thugs?
21 posted on 10/10/2002 11:08:55 AM PDT by Boxsford
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To: BrooklynGOP
Yeah, along with the ACLU! Turkeys!
22 posted on 10/10/2002 11:09:47 AM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: KS Flyover
Ping to you.
23 posted on 10/10/2002 11:15:25 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: Boxsford
This is the first time I've heard of these murders.

Blame the politically correct media. Their under-reporting of this horror-story is disgraceful.

24 posted on 10/10/2002 12:25:50 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: KS Flyover
ping,ping,ping
25 posted on 10/10/2002 2:25:09 PM PDT by Rightly Biased
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To: Boxsford
This is the first time I've heard of these murders.

This isn't even scratching the surface. You have been warned - this is the nastiest, ugliest case I've read about not involving children and you are NOT going to like it from here on out.

26 posted on 10/10/2002 2:30:37 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: AAABEST; Rightly Biased; TroutStalker; alfa6; mjaneangels@aolcom; carlo3b; dennisw; Judith Anne; ...
Thanks for pinging me!

"Wichita Massacre" murder trial "Ping List".

Please let me know if you want on (or off) this list.

27 posted on 10/10/2002 2:35:37 PM PDT by KS Flyover
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To: Billthedrill
First I've heard of it, too. I like to think I have a cast iron stomach but reading about this crime makes me physically ill.
28 posted on 10/10/2002 2:38:01 PM PDT by Liberal Classic
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To: Paradox
I heard, from a fairly credible source (detective type), that this case was NOT a racial crime, but a payback crime for something that happened in prison.

Is this person a detective? In Kansas?

I could accept this if I had ever heard anything of the sort about it. That the media hasn't brought it out is on a par with the original story where certain info about the perps was not included either.

What I find hard to believe about it is that there had to be a relationship between the perps and the victims for that to be true. Do you know of such a relationship?

29 posted on 10/10/2002 2:40:10 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Boxsford
She was shot and left in a snowy field with the other victims.
30 posted on 10/10/2002 2:41:52 PM PDT by EllaMinnow
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Day 3 report: Woman testifies that Carrs killed her friends in a soccer field [Wichita Massacre Day 3]
31 posted on 10/10/2002 2:47:02 PM PDT by KS Flyover
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To: gramho12
Are we raising a generation of wimps, or is this just an aberration?

Wimps, I think. For this we can thank Benjamin Spock, the NEA, and their fellow travelers. Oh, and Clintonistas everywhere, and those who voted for them, ever.

32 posted on 10/10/2002 2:48:19 PM PDT by surely_you_jest
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To: GaryMontana
What method(s) of execution are there in Kansas?
33 posted on 10/10/2002 2:48:39 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: Boxsford
If you wish look at the courttv website, search 'carr trial'. I found out about this when it happened,famiy thing. I imagine it was hard for the police not to but these animals down when they were found out.
34 posted on 10/10/2002 2:52:50 PM PDT by 6ta60
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To: Boxsford
Yes she was shot and left for dead. The only survivor. These killers were acting out the garbage they got from rap records and videos. IMHO.
35 posted on 10/10/2002 2:54:29 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: rdb3
NOT ENOUGHT

Regards

alfa6 ;>{
36 posted on 10/10/2002 2:55:02 PM PDT by alfa6
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To: gramho12
Are we raising a generation of wimps, or is this just an aberration?

This implies that those born before this generation are
somehow unaffected.  I was raised in the 1950s.
There are things I do not say or do now that rated
so second thought while I was growing up.  What is
happening is happening through societal controls and
is happening to all of us, young and old.

Think of the Pioneer satellite.  When it was launched,
it was state of the art.  But the state changed.  Amazingly,
through the magic of uplinks and radio transmission, the
computer of Pioneer was capable of being reprogrammed
in flight.  The satellite launched years ago is billions of
miles away, and yet is quite different from the machine
that disappeared into the skies way back when.

In short, if it's not too late for that, this is not an
aberration.  The entire society is at risk to
murder and terrorism because we have trained
ourselves to believe that the defense of our
lives and property is better left to the state.

37 posted on 10/10/2002 3:02:04 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse
When i die i want to die fighting...not slaughtered like pigs!
38 posted on 10/10/2002 3:04:38 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
The first thing we have to do is realize that we are under attack. Thanks to the undercoverage and slanting of news by the liberal press, we are unlikely to do even that.
39 posted on 10/10/2002 3:11:00 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Paradox
I heard, from a fairly credible source (detective type), that this case was NOT a racial crime, but a payback crime for something that happened in prison.

./Gee, Paradox. I really doubt this credible info you have. Which one of the victims was the cause of this payback? Which one during the week-plus killing spree?

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Before the twisted sexual games and the bloody crescendo of violence that characterized the last day of their week-plus killing spree, the Carr brothers of Wichita, Kansas, were just out for money, police say. But by the time their rampage came to a halt, they say, stealing money was the least of their crimes: Six victims had been shot, five fatally, and another was assaulted.

In a trial expected to begin Monday in Sedgwick County prosecutors will attempt to stitch together eight bloody days in the lives of brothers Reginald Carr Jr., 23, and Jonathan Carr, 20. Their star witness will be the only surviving victim of their most brutal attack who was raped, shot and run over by a car.

The Carrs are facing a total of 113 charges in connection with their rampage, known locally as the "Wichita Horror," which spanned Dec. 7 to Dec. 14, 2000. If convicted, the brothers could face the death penalty.

40 posted on 10/10/2002 3:12:13 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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