Bush and His Big Gov

WorldNetDaily ^ | 10/05/2002 | Kyle Williams

[marajade]

"Just thought you might want to know that spelling isn't the least important thing in the world. ;)"

The ability or lack thereof to spell has no comparative value to one's ability to think in an abstractual context which is one of my husband's greatest strengths...

[Joe Hadenuf]

Yes but what about Reagan???

[marajade]

"And lets not forget the wildly popular conservative idea, amnesty for illegals."

Really? Where has Bush suggested this?

[Sabertooth]

Read #2. Now, if you cannot deduce from that my point that if HE didn't feel like that was the truth he shouldn't have started his article with it, then that's your problem not mine.

Here it is:

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To: sheltonmac

those who are blindly supporting President Bush and those who aren't domestically supporting the president based on his actions while in office.

Well, that's a good way to get people to read your articles, isn't it, start right off with a "if you don't agree with me, you're a lockstep BushBot."

No need to read any further.

2 posted on 10/6/02 9:26 AM Pacific by Howlin
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To paraphrase you at #41, "if you really meant to say something else, you should have said it."

It is precisely your problem that you failed to make your point in four or five attempts. It's not my responsibility to deduce from between the lines a point you simply weren't making.

On the one hand you complain about one sentence of Kyle's piece beyond which you said there was "no need to read any further," and in doing so you misrepresented what he said, a number of times. On the other, you are complaining that I didn't divine some thought you had that went unexpressed in five posts before I ever flagged you.

Does this not strike you as ironic?

[Joe Hadenuf]

Really? Where has Bush suggested this?

Yeah, lets play stupid.....

Bush is the man that has saved our sovereignty and secured our borders in this time of war....At midnight on 9/11/01 Bush went into action and stopped this uncontrolled immigration disaster and immediately reformed our border security and our out of control immigration policies. Let roll!!!!

[Sabertooth]

I'd like to see some stats... I've heard going into Iraq could be as much as 200 bil... That's a lot of dough...

We're still well short of having the Defense spending, in real dollars, that we had during the Cold War after Reagan took over from Carter. This is not a slam at Bush, just the reality of what the wastrels of the Clinton-Gore years did to our military.

It may turn out that the WoT will be as costly as the Cold War, I don't think we really know at this point.

[thepitts]

Really? Where has Bush suggested this?

You are kidding right?

[rwfromkansas]

Keep in mind Reagan would not have done some of the things Bush has done, yet somehow people think Reagan is more conservative.

Does anyone remember that Reagan was very close to TOTAL DISARMERMENT?????!!!!! Is THAT conservative?

[Howlin]

As I said, that's YOUR interpretation of my remarks; if you didn't "get" what I said, that's YOUR problem. As usual, you and I do not agree on the interpretation of anybody's remarks, including mine. I'm a BushBot and you're a BushBasher; the only difference is that I don't say you have no principles because you don't agree with me.

And if we're going to talk relevance, I noticed you didn't have much to say that was relevance, other than dogging me, until your fourth post on this thread.

[marajade]

Bush has replaced the head of the INS... Ashcroft is fingerprinting... We've hired hundreds of new agents at the border in AZ at Bush's urging...

The poster is lying about Bush's immigration policy.

[rwfromkansas]

Since "true blue" conservatives like to compare Reagan to Bush, including the author, this is why it is being brought up.

[marajade]

"You are kidding right?"

You are the one making the charge. It's up to you prove your point with specifics rather than with opinion.

[CIB-173RDABN]

Do you really think the average Joe on the street has any say on who gets nominated for President or has any real decision on sits in the Oval office? If anything, he will have a choice of two people, put in position by members of an exclusive club...That's it.

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I do not understand your point.

Is there a law that says the average American can not participate in politics’?

Those men that have ran for office did not just appear out of thin air. They have for the most part have been public people who have made their views known, and have usually ran for political office and won. Even if your view how the final candidates get put on the ballot is true (and I am not conceding it is) they still have to be elected in a national election.

If you can not find a candidate that can gather enough votes to win an national election, that means your views are not shared by the majority of the voters. You are destined to be unhappy for a very long time.

I am grateful for the wisdom of our founding fathers when they gave us a Republic with a House and a Senate, and not a Parliament. Any man that reaches the office of the Presidency will have to compromise to get what he wants, that is built into the system.

[Sabertooth]

Where has Bush suggested this (amnesty for illegals)?

For starters, here.

[WOSG]

Right. And this student of history forgets all the many things that conservatives could and did criticize Reagan for. we never liked the deficits, nor the fact that spending kept going up, nor his 'voluntary quotas on dram and car imports' akin to bush's steel tariffs, etc. the list goes on.

Politics is a contact sport, with necessary compromises. To fail to understand these nuances is to be 'colorblind' and see only black-and-white.

Where Reagan and Bush are CORRECT is having an understanding of the KEY goals and doing the RIGHT THINGS there. For Reagan, it was taxes and the cold war. For Bush, the war on terror is #1.

[marajade]

And if you read the law which hasn't been passed... there is nothing in it in relation to amnesty.

[billbears]

Thank you and something I think a lot of officials in Washington need to go back and read. Shelton, as for the rest of the article, Kyle has it right on.

President Bush and his White House buddies passed the USA Patriot Act after the Sept. 11 attacks. This has got to be one of the most freedom-grabbing bills for some time and specifically goes against the conservative principle of smaller government.

But it's only freedom grabbing if you're already doing something evil< /sarcasm>

Bush pushed for, agreed with and signed the farm legislation this past summer. This bill, which is in the stack alongside other unconstitutional legislation, takes money from one person's hand and gives it to someone else – a legalized theft operation that the Constitution does not allow. Again, this bill also goes against the conservative principle of smaller government.

This was one of the things that blew me away about Bush. I was willing to give a lot of ground on some of my positions considering Sept 11. But after this bill and CFR, I can honestly say Bush is a consummate politician. Conservative? About as conservative as Elizabeth Dole. Republican? Not the same thing. That being said, I would like to see the Republican party win back the Senate and keep the House. I truly do hope this happens. I have been a staunch conservative my whole life and always voted Republican at the national level. And yet mysteriously I haven't seen much change. If the Republicans do win both houses I expect them to follow their campaign promises and start limiting government. There will be no more excuses. No more compromise (which never works), no more we couldn't get enough votes, no more 'it's for the children'. Cut government as promised

[Sabertooth]

As I said, that's YOUR interpretation of my remarks; if you didn't "get" what I said, that's YOUR problem. As usual, you and I do not agree on the interpretation of anybody's remarks, including mine.

Words mean things, your words don't mean what you claim they did. You're waltzing rather close to a "definition of is" defense.

And if we're going to talk relevance, I noticed you didn't have much to say that was relevance, other than dogging me, until your fourth post on this thread.

Do you mean to say that for me to address what you've written and posted is not relevant?

[Joe Hadenuf]

Those men that have ran for office did not just appear out of thin air.

LOL, you bet they didn't.....

[WOSG]

remember that Reagan gave us Oconnor on the court, Bush I gave us Souter 2 pro Roe v Wade votes ... so far Bush II has gotten 3 Judicial nominees bounced by the left-wing Senate for being too conservative, notably they are scared these guys wont support roe v. wade.

Remember also that Congress sets the spending. 30 years of democrats in charge gave us bigger govt. The GOP took over Congress in 1994 and spending spigot dried up. in 1998-2002 conservatives have gotten less powerful in congress and moderates and dashcle are running the show. so spending is getting bigger.


If the problem is the lack of conservative power in Washington DC and what needs to change most, THE FIRST PLACE TO LOOK IS NOT THE WHITE HOUSE.... LOOK AT THE SENATE!!!!