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Professor Rigid on Evolution (must "believe" to get med school rec)
The Lubbock Avalanche Journal ^ | 10/6/02 | Sebastian Kitchen

Posted on 10/06/2002 8:16:21 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana

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To: VadeRetro; All
But it comes back on every "refresh" attempt. @#$%^!

Sorry, all. I even tried to post in a link and that didn't work. Odd little site controls, I guess.

841 posted on 10/10/2002 6:42:07 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: betty boop
'Been here all along, bb; it's just that, with the "Adults" in charge, we have fewer Windmills to Tilt at!

Besides, my keyboard is Fried!

Doc

842 posted on 10/10/2002 6:45:17 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: derek141
It is the ignorance of evolutionists which betrays science.
Got a scientific "fact" in support of evolution to throw my way genius?
843 posted on 10/10/2002 6:47:26 PM PDT by G Larry
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To: G Larry
Got a scientific "fact" in support of evolution to throw my way genius?

Has anyone run these by you, yet?

844 posted on 10/10/2002 6:56:08 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: f.Christian
Are you capable of composing a complete sentence?

Or is it some sort of mental defect?

Maybe you think it's "cute" or "original" to write that way; but as for me, I just think it's extremely annoying and obnoxious.

Please go away.

845 posted on 10/10/2002 7:11:20 PM PDT by handk
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To: All

Gone for the evening placemarker.
God bless America!

846 posted on 10/10/2002 7:20:09 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: balrog666
Here it is:

847 posted on 10/10/2002 7:39:13 PM PDT by scripter
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To: bert
Spelling is optional, especially in hastily typed notes where fat fingers interfere. You failed to make a valid point in the real discussion, as did several others with similar complaints.

Actually, it is you who failed to answer the simple question from my first post: The next question would be: Are you either a competent scientist or a competent physician yourself (or Pyysician, as some of you may spell it down there in Tennessee)?

Your private reply said, "Of course."

Sure. Right. Whatever you say (what did you say?).

Let's see, if you are a physician and "fat fingers" get in the way of competent spelling, I hope you don't choose to pick up a prescription pad and mix up a prescription due to your poor spelling any time soon. Furthermore, if you are a surgeon, one would hope you would not brush off the possibility that you dropped a scalpel into someone because manual dexterity wasn't one of your stronger areas in med school. Similarly, we all trust that you don't arrive at your diagnoses with the same careless haste as you post.

If you on the other hand claim to be a competent scientist, as I do, particularly where it comes to making a valid point in this discussion, can you tell us what it is about his faith in the tenets of evolutionary biology that you hope your personal physician relies upon as he treats you for an ailment?

848 posted on 10/10/2002 7:56:59 PM PDT by Agamemnon
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To: scripter; AndrewC
Thank you so much for your two cents, scriptor!

I'm very glad to see that we three are in general agreement on the program.

849 posted on 10/10/2002 8:05:59 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: handk
Please go away...how about yourself!
850 posted on 10/10/2002 8:08:43 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: betty boop
Thank you so much for the heads up to your analysis at #748!

The sufficiency of our conclusion depends on the accuracy and adequacy of our definitions which are no longer subject to direct test.

IMHO, your statement is so true it bears repeating. To many of us, the lack of direct evidence makes evolutionary theory look thin by comparison to theories which can be tested empirically.

Some on the evolutionist side may bristle when it is suggested that the theory is grounded in faith, but at least one scientist is quite frank about it:

We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counterintuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door. The eminent Kant scholar Lewis Beck used to say that anyone who could believe in God could believe in anything. To appeal to an omnipotent deity is to allow that at any moment the regularities of nature may be ruptured, that miracles may happen. The above quote by Lewontin (Harvard Genetics Professor) is taken from The Unraveling of Scientific Materialism by Phillip Johnson.

851 posted on 10/10/2002 8:31:40 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: derek141
I agree with you.

My comment was aimed at why this student should get so excited over the fact that a biology assist. prof. should expect him to believe biological science. If this is a favor provided by faculty, why the article about having to change schools?

And congratulations for joining up. I lurked for about a year before I signed up.

852 posted on 10/10/2002 8:49:37 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: hispanarepublicana
Good for Dini. Why some so called conservatives insist on believing in demonstrably false fairy tales instead of concentrating on cutting taxes, supporting our military forces, putting the Clintons in jail, and keeping the idiots in Washington off our backs is beyond me.


853 posted on 10/10/2002 8:59:51 PM PDT by w.t.sherman
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To: rdb3
I agree with the professor in the same way that a mathematics professor should insist that the number pi is an irrational number and not 22/7 (unlike the Tennesse legislature in the past - the same ones who stridently supported creationsism).
854 posted on 10/10/2002 9:03:02 PM PDT by w.t.sherman
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To: w.t.sherman
What part of evolution is your favorite...spontaneous matter/life or morphing animals?
855 posted on 10/10/2002 9:07:04 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Ready2go
Yes, yes.... and Lazarus rose from the dead, and God turned some poor sap into a pillar of salt. I've been to Catholic school.

So snakes used to walk, but God made them crawl. People use to have tails, but God took them away. Elephants used to be hairy and fat, but God gave them diet pills. Doesnt evolution seem a little bit more reasonable as an alternative (i.e., the Ice Age ended)?
856 posted on 10/10/2002 9:25:44 PM PDT by talk2farley
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To: f.Christian
What part of evolution is your favorite...spontaneous matter/life or morphing animals?

You have been told before that neither of this is part of evolution. Still, it's hard to tell if you are deliberately lying since you appear to be completely insane.
857 posted on 10/10/2002 9:34:04 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio

"No one doubts the improbability of events. Your existence is highly improbable. So is mine. Think of all the events in just the past 100 generations which could have caused any of our ancestors to behave differently than they did. Yet all the past events happened, naturally, step by step, and here we are, so mere improbability is not much of an issue."

"The facts upon which evolution theory is based are rather well established. Mutations happen. They really do. And new species appear over time, really. And they appear in form and DNA to be related to pre-existing species. No joke, that's the evidence. In every generation, those best suited for the game of life are most likely to breed the next generation. Mutation and natural selection. And time, lots of time. They're the stuff of evolution."

"The results are always going to be seen as improbable in retrospect, but that's how things happen. It's such a reasonable explanation that there's no need to wave it all away and grasp instead for an external "designer" for whom there is no evidence at all.

"So I don't see ID as an "honest attempt" to deal with improbability. Rather, it's a clever attempt to confuse the poorly trained public with slick (but unscientific) patter."

353 posted on 9/19/02 2:24 PM Pacific by PatrickHenry

"Mutation and natural selection. And time, lots of time. They're the stuff of evolution."



858 posted on 10/10/2002 10:32:00 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Dimensio
An evolutionists is---

like a blind/dumb man...

describing a pantomime---

when all he knows...

in a previous life...

he was a frog!

"No one doubts the improbability of events. Your existence is highly improbable. So is mine. Think of all the events in just the past 100 generations which could have caused any of our ancestors to behave differently than they did. Yet all the past events happened, naturally, step by step, and here we are, so mere improbability is not much of an issue."

"The facts upon which evolution theory is based are rather well established. Mutations happen. They really do. And new species appear over time, really. And they appear in form and DNA to be related to pre-existing species. No joke, that's the evidence. In every generation, those best suited for the game of life are most likely to breed the next generation. Mutation and natural selection. And time, lots of time. They're the stuff of evolution."

Main Entry: 1pan·to·mime
Pronunciation: 'pan-t&-"mIm
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin pantomimus, from pant- + mimus mime
Date: 1589
1 : PANTOMIMIST
2 a : an ancient Roman dramatic performance featuring a solo dancer and a narrative chorus
b : any of various dramatic or dancing performances in which a story is told by expressive bodily or facial movements of the performers
c : a British theatrical entertainment of the Christmas season based on a nursery tale and featuring topical songs, tableaux, and dances
3 a : conveyance of a story by bodily or facial movements especially in drama or dance
b : the art or genre of conveying a story by bodily movements only
- pan·to·mim·ic /"pan-t&-'mi-mik/ adjective

859 posted on 10/10/2002 10:59:23 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: whattajoke
The original point that got me to post in this thread was a statement that Creationists never do their own research. A real straw man that can be disproved easily, unlike the Noah flood age of earth stuff. Now that is a real longstanding argument with merit on both sides.

The second reason I posted was to give a personal first hand testimony of what happened to me. I was healed in a Church service along with about a dozen other people.

I find it pretty humorous that I am debunked. Leg length is debunked, Healers don’t happen, and a million bucks will buy peace for evolutionists at night for easy sleeping.

The only problem is that I am healed. And I listed the research and observation that I and 5 other people did using gold placer placement. Perhaps if I had one of your Priest's Ordainments by having a Doctorate and wrote in your Bible by publishing my research papers you could then dare to read anything outside your little church.

But the placer is there still and that anybody with a gold pan can go test it does not count because dirt is layered and large rocks are in valleys. Only problem is that the research was done, the results posted here and the rocks I am talking about are the anomalies. Which if you actualy read what I wrote is the subject, not the normal rocks in the valleys which are not a result of placer placement anyway because erosion does not placer (or placed here) a rock. The way you can tell a placer rock from a erosion rock is the rounding and smoothing of the rock by streambed action.

So what happened didn't because someone somewhere said it is bunk, and the research is bunk because dirt is layered. Guess what, stream beds are layered. I kinda lean towards A world wide flood making all of the earth a streambed. *doh*

I am not a circus act. I am just another Joe blow on the street, like millions of others. If you want to see healing I suspect that there is a Church a lot closer to you than I am.

But with the "objective reasoning" being shown here I can tell just what spirit your million dollar lottery is done in.

Did you catch the clue that I don't give a rip about your million bucks? I know the concept that there is something more valuable than money is hard to understand.

Keep your bucks, sleep well at night, but remember the dawn comes.

Lets keep this simple, in the same spirit it was offered. I did some research myself, and it is just as valid as anyone else’s even if it refutes your religion. And I am healed. Face it, healing happens. Take a look at how long I have been a Freeper, and notice that I have not been flaming you evolutionist wacko's all this time. I frankly do not give a rip what you choose to believe, obviously I have not tried to "save" you from your folly for two years and I am not going to be forced to do it now. I am no evangelist. I am just a Freeper with a first hand experience that pertained to a thread and gave it as a simple example. Take it in the spirit that it was offered or stuff it in your nose for all I care. I have never played preacher here on Freeper, and resent you trying to force me into that box along with your circus act routine.

I do not give a rip about what some MD says is real, I give a rip about what the Spirit of God says. And this Evangelist that came to church was led by the spirit he said, to check leg length. God seems to have felt that the theory had enough backing it because my leg grew. Did you think the kid that prayed was like some ET throwback that lengthened bones by thinking about it?

You guys are the best at the world in ignoring the obvious to study the sublime. I see your MD and raise you one God. Call.

Go back to your fantasy, and quit trying to debunk what you are afraid to understand. If you do not want to believe in God, fine. Have a nice life. But sheesh, your fear does not make my lifes experience's a fantasy no mater how important that is to your peace of mind.

860 posted on 10/10/2002 11:04:42 PM PDT by American in Israel
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