Professor Rigid on Evolution (must "believe" to get med school rec)

The Lubbock Avalanche Journal ^ | 10/6/02 | Sebastian Kitchen

[Quix]

I've seen it elaborated on . . . they really do have a priesthood. I don't know who their unholy see? of Cardinals would be. Probably there are several would be popes. They have their Inquisition. People are burned at the publish and perish stake for not supporting the narrow doctrines vigorously enough. etc. etc. etc.

And now this petty upstart of a pretend scholar flushes a student for not toting the party line. Sheesh. Academic Freedom indeed.

Thanks for your comment.

[American in Israel]

So? What related the results to man? You know, individual and special creation and all that idiocy?

Simple, the same guy that made giraffes made people using the same system, carbon based organic-chemistry controlled by dna. I point that giraffes have the same number of vertebra in their necks as you, yet the DNA of a green tree frog is numerically closer that that of a chimpanzee to human. By judging from the outside evolutionists thought the warm blooded chimpanzee is closer to humans genetically than the cold blooded frog. Since their entire belief structure is being shaken by modern science they are left with faith in the face of reality, and their arguments are getting more shrill than real, unlike creation science which is being augmented by science more in these modern times.

It just goes to show you science should be based on observation and study rather than the evolutionary religion of Darwin or faith.

[Dimensio]

Do you believe that all of 12 children must all be at all times in all respects treated absolutely equally?

Ah, so you're saying that some children will suffer as a result of the sins of their father and others will not. Makes perfect sense now.

[Dimensio]

Er, I was being sarcastic.

When I ask creationists who want "Equal Time" for other "theories of origins" in schools I ask about Last Thursdayism: the 'theory' that the universe was created in its entirety last Thursday by a cat named Queen Maeve.

So far I've yet to receive a satisfactory response.

[Dimensio]

But then if light has been slowing down--all kinds of standards don't look quite as rigid as we've tended to construe them.

True enough. It makes the implications of E=mc^2 quite interesting.

[ALS]

I was thinking the same thing about the question I asked you.

btw - making stuff up is like reading a Darwin book....

[f.Christian]

Consequently, theories of evolution which, in accordance with the philosophies inspiring them, consider the mind as emerging from the forces of living matter, or as a mere epiphenomenon of this matter, are incompatible with the truth about man. Nor are they able to ground the dignity of the person.

No comprehende?

[f.Christian]

Evolution teaches everything washed out of a mudball!

No it does not. I'd call you a liar, but I doubt that you actually are able to understand the insane babble that you post here.

95 posted on 10/6/02 1:31 PM Pacific by Dimensio

Evolution teaches everything 'hatched' out of a mudball!

[PatrickHenry]

Morning placemarker.

[Quix]

SOOOOOOOOOOO,

YOU ARE SAYING
????

--as incredible as it seems--

THAT children
who
PERSISTENTLY CONTINUE
in their father's
stubborn rebellion
SHOULD
enjoy the
same

reprieves, lessening, removal
of the law of
SOWING AND REAPING

as those children in THIS
CURRENT era of GRACE
[as opposed to those under
the instructive era of THE LAW]
WHO repent and TURN FROM

SUCH STUBBORN, REBELLIOUS WAYS???

????????????????????

Interesting flushing of eductaional contingencies, at best.

OBVIOUSLY, based on your logic, we ought to pardon Walker Lindh et al and give them scholarships or some such--perhaps throwing in their own national talk shows--OH, I KNOW--!!!WITH!!! BILLDO AND SHRILLERY--who obviously in this scheme of things should be immediately crowned co-kings for life!!!

I really do not understand what makes this so difficult for such a bright person. Is it some lurking hard heartedness? Puzzling.

[Doctor Stochastic]

Just to pour oil on troubled fires:

Should one deny recommendation to a physics student who "doesn't believe in complex numbers"?

Should one deny recommendation to a math major who "doesn't believe in Lebesque measure"?

Should one deny recommendation to an aircraft engineer who "doesn't believe in Bernoulli's principle"?

[whattajoke]

Evolution teaches everything washed out of a mudball!

english to german to english:
Development ' expenditure breeding width unit ' informs everything out from one mudball!

I think this brilliant summation of f.christian's level of scientific understanding, condensing 200 years of research into this succint little ditty, confirms once and for all we are dealing with someone who either honestly knows nothing more than a 1st grader, or someone who refuses to learn.

[Junior]

An "I go away to serve my country for a weekend and find everyone here talking about me behind my back" placemarker. {;^)>

[Doctor Stochastic]

You are using the inclusive or, of course.

[VadeRetro]

or someone who refuses to learn.

That would be all of the creos. If you gave a quiz: "Evolution is random. True or false?" how many creos would pass it? Not many. Declaiming against "randomness" is built into many of the stock speeches, never mind that you can't converge toward fitness randomly. (The mutations are random, natural selection culls non-randomly.) The investment in the canned speeches sitting on the shelf, guarantees that "Evolution is random" cannot be unlearned. It would be too inconvenient.

Not learning or remembering too much is part and parcel of the game. But they have Morton's Demon to help them with the filtering.

[scripter]

An "I go away to serve my country for a weekend and find everyone here talking about me behind my back" placemarker. {;^)>

Hmm. Does that mean Nov 2-3 or Nov 9-10 is the next time we do this? BTW, thanks for your service.

[steve-b]

I see that Dr. Bronner has dropped in again.

[VadeRetro]

Whence Whales?

For an even better overall summary, I suggest the next time you're in a library you read an article in Scientific American's May 2002 issue, The Mammals that Conquered the Sea. Unfortunately, that one's not on their web site. It gives you a somewhat less skewed version than you get from asking the slimy lawyer for one side.

Maybe I shouldn't exactly use that characterization. Everyone assumes Andrew doesn't believe in evolution. In the incident of the Abuse Button, he was trying to use that instrument to stop me from outing him before God's Traveler, who satteth at the right hand of God but gotteth banned anyway. "Out" him, how? Andrew's theistic evolution is only barely microscopically removed from Junior's. In Andrew's version, God or God's design lurk somewhere down in the cell machinery producing non-random mutations. Above that level, it all looks the same. Common descent, natural selection, evolution.

You wouldn't know that, would you? It's a big secret. He's like a closet homosexual who runs about yelling "Faggot! Queer!" Thus it is necessary to keep the discussion away from what he actually believes, at least until he's taking too much flack for dodging.

But I digress. The telling point was the finding of the post-cranial Pakicetus bones--paleontological evidence. And Mesonychus with its cetacean-looking skull is still under consideration. One thing that would decide the question one way or the other are the ankle bones of an older Mesonychid or a likely near-ancestor of Mesonychids--more paleontological evidence.

[PatrickHenry]

Just to pour oil on troubled fires:

The issue is really quite simple: Should someone be recommended for advanced scientific studies when he willfully sweeps aside a rational explanation of the evidence (perhaps even sweeping aside the evidence itself) and instead prefers to believe in miracles as providing a better account for the phenomenon in question? To me, anyone is free to believe anything he wants, but a successful career in science requires a rational mindset.

[BibChr]

Without reading much of the thread, I'll predict that the lock-step children of the modern Inquisition — those bold champions of intellectual freedom and open-minded investigateion of just-the-facts — will all applaud the religious-test standards of their fellow-High-Priest of the Church of Evolution.

Am I right?

Dan