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Professor Rigid on Evolution (must "believe" to get med school rec)
The Lubbock Avalanche Journal ^ | 10/6/02 | Sebastian Kitchen

Posted on 10/06/2002 8:16:21 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana

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To: general_re
Don't forget Patterson's comments in his 1979 letter to Sunderland that I posted: "Gradualism is a concept I believe in..." In the beginning, had you mentioned my own post stated Patterson believed in gradualism (phyletic evolution), I would have moved onto what he thought of the evidence. He staked his life on evolution and as we have seen, he knew of no transitional fossils, saw no evidence of PE, agreed evolution was based on faith alone, didn't consider it truly a scientific theory, but he didn't utterly reject it.

Can you provide quotes from Patterson's 1999 book demonstating he changed his mind on the above? I've decided to boycott amazon.com and will try to get my own copy of his 1999 book from another source. Thanks for telling me about it.

You would never know what Patterson believed of the evidence if you only listen to one side. Some here would have us believe Patterson accepted evolution hook line and sinker. From what I've posted it's obvious he didn't. The book Darwin's Enigma contains quotes from scientists, some from Patterson, that say some of the very same things anti-evolutionists on this forum have been saying all along. Some of the reasons I included the quotes here is my way of saying the anti-evolutionists are raising some of the very same concerns evolutionists have previously raised. It's my opinion you could not find an in context quote from Patterson stating he utterly accepted evolution. Some here would never admit it.

Thanks for the discussion, sir, it's truly been enjoyable.

1,261 posted on 10/19/2002 12:48:01 PM PDT by scripter
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To: scripter
The hardcore evos on this thread apparently believe that Patterson's tepid, heavily qualified defense of evolutionary theory (or I should say, the "evolutionist truism") is cause for breaking out the champagne! That's a great indication of the level of their evidentiary standards.

And to top it all off, some of them even assert that failure to subscribe fully to their version of the neverending evolutionary guessing game makes one unfit to practice medicine!

1,262 posted on 10/20/2002 10:27:02 AM PDT by beckett
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To: beckett; Ready2go
The hardcore evos on this thread apparently believe that Patterson's tepid, heavily qualified defense of evolutionary theory (or I should say, the "evolutionist truism") is cause for breaking out the champagne!

Well, we can hope others see Patterson's candid comments, which I'll summarize in an easy to read format. Patterson:

Still, Patterson didn't "utterly reject" evolution. It was just something he believed and thought "we should accept it until someone thinks of a better [theory]." I guess Dr. Raup is right, it really takes overkill for conventional wisdom to die out.
1,263 posted on 10/20/2002 2:24:38 PM PDT by scripter
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As secular science writer Richard Milton recently observed:

"An important factor in bringing about the universal dominance and acceptance of Darwinian evolution has been that virtually every eminent professional scientist appointed to posts in the life sciences in the last 40 or 50 years, in the English-speaking world, has been a convinced Darwinist. ...These men, as well as occupying powerful and important academic teaching positions, were also prolific and important writers whose influence has been widespread in forming the consensus."

These names include such men as Gavin de Beer, Julian Huxley, J.B.S. Haldane, C.H. Waddington, Ernst Mayr, Theodosius Dobzhansky and George Simpson.

Despite strong pressure to accept evolutionism, many intelligent and experienced scientists either openly or secretly dismiss Evolution as highly unlikely or impossible. In the 1980s, researcher and lecturer David Watson noted an increasing trend that continues today, disturbing those who want evolutionism to be perceived as the accepted scientific consensus:

"...A tidal wave of new books... threaten to shatter that confidence - titles like Darwin Retried (1971), Macbeth; The Neck of the Giraffe: Where Darwin Went Wrong (1982), Hitching; The Great Evolution Mystery (1983), Taylor; The Bone Peddlers: Selling Evolution (1984), Fix; Darwin Was Wrong - A Study in Probabilities (1984), Cohen; Darwinism: The Refutation of a Myth (1987), Lovtrup; and Adam and Evolution (1984), Pitman. Not one of these books was written from a Christian-apologetic point of view: they are concerned only with scientific truth - as was Sir Ernst Chain when he called evolution 'a fairy tale'."

As Science Digest reported:

"Scientists who utterly reject Evolution may be one of our fastest-growing controversial minorities... Many of the scientists supporting this position hold impressive credentials in science."

One example is the late Dr. Arthur E. Wilder-Smith, an honored scientist with an amazing three earned doctorates. He held many distinguished positions.

A former Evolutionist, Dr. Wilder-Smith debated various leading scientists on the subject throughout the world. In his opinion, the Evolution model did not fit as well with the established facts of science as did the Creation model of intelligent design.

"The Evolutionary model says that it is not necessary to assume the existence of anything, besides matter and energy, to produce life. That proposition is unscientific. We know perfectly well that if you leave matter to itself, it does not organize itself - in spite of all the efforts in recent years to prove that it does."

Secular researcher Richard Milton summarized the current world situation: "Darwinism has never had much appeal for science outside of the English-speaking world, and has never appealed much to the American public (although popular with the U.S. scientific establishment in the past). However, its ascendancy in science, in both Britain and America, has been waning for several decades as its grip has weakened in successive areas: geology; paleontology; embryology; comparative anatomy.

Now even geneticists are beginning to have doubts. It is only in mainstream molecular biology and zoology that Darwinism retains serious enthusiastic supporters. As growing numbers of scientists begin to drift away from neo-Darwinist ideas, the revision of Darwinism at the public level is long overdue, and is a process that I believe has already started."

Partial list of Creationist scientists
(past and present)

600+ voting scientists of the Creation Research Society (voting membership requires at least an earned master's degree in a recognized area of science).

150 Ph.D. scientists and 300 other scientists with masters degrees in science or engineering are members of the Korea Association of Creation Research. The President of KACR is the distinguished scientist and Professor Young-Gil Kim of the Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology. Ph.D. in Materials Science, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute / highly distinguished / inventor of various important high-tech alloys.

(Note: The following list is very incomplete. Inclusion of any person on this list is in no way an endorsement, nor does it necessarily indicate anything about their religious beliefs.)

Gerald E. Aardsma (physicist and radiocarbon dating)

Louis Agassiz (helped develop the study of glacial geology and of ichthyology)

Alexander Arndt (analytical chemist, etc.)

Steven A. Austin (geologist and coal formation expert)

Charles Babbage (helped develop science of computers / developed actuarial tables and the calculating machine)

Francis Bacon (developed the Scientific Method)

Thomas G. Barnes (physicist)

Robert Boyle (helped develop sciences of chemistry and gas dynamics)

Wernher von Braun (pioneer of rocketry and space exploration)

David Brewster (helped develop science of optical mineralogy)

Arthur V. Chadwick (geologist)

Melvin Alonzo Cook (physical chemist, Nobel Prize nominee)

Georges Cuvier (helped develop sciences of comparative anatomy and vertebrate paleontology)

Humphry Davy (helped develop science of thermokinetics)

Donald B. DeYoung (physicist, specializing in solid-state, nuclear science and astronomy)

Henri Fabre (helped develop science of insect entomology)

Michael Faraday (helped develop science of electromagnetics / developed the Field Theory / invented the electric generator)

Danny R. Faulkner (astronomer)

Ambrose Fleming (helped develop science of electronics / invented thermionic valve)

Robert V. Gentry (physicist and chemist)

Duane T. Gish (biochemist)

John Grebe (chemist)

Joseph Henry (invented the electric motor and the galvanometer / discovered self-induction)

William Herschel (helped develop science of galactic astronomy / discovered double stars / developed the Global Star Catalog)

George F. Howe (botanist)

D. Russell Humphreys (award-winning physicist)

James P. Joule (developed reversible thermodynamics)

Johann Kepler (helped develop science of physical astronomy / developed the Ephemeris Tables)

John W. Klotz (geneticist and biologist)

Leonid Korochkin (geneticist)

Lane P. Lester (geneticist and biologist)

Carolus Linnaeus (helped develop sciences of taxonomy and systematic biology / developed the Classification System)

Joseph Lister (helped develop science of antiseptic surgery)

Frank L. Marsh (biologist)

Matthew Maury (helped develop science of oceanography/hydrography)

James Clerk Maxwell (helped develop the science of electrodynamics)

Gregor Mendel (founded the modern science of genetics)

Samuel F. B. Morse (invented the telegraph)

Isaac Newton (helped develop science of dynamics and the discipline of calculus / father of the Law of Gravity / invented the reflecting telescope)

Gary E. Parker (biologist and paleontologist)

Blaise Pascal (helped develop science of hydrostatics / invented the barometer)

Louis Pasteur (helped develop science of bacteriology / discovered the Law of Biogenesis / invented fermentation control / developed vaccinations and immunizations)

William Ramsay (helped develop the science of isotopic chemistry / discovered inert gases)

John Ray (helped develop science of biology and natural science)

Lord Rayleigh (helped develop science of dimensional analysis)

Bernhard Riemann (helped develop non-Euclidean geometry)

James Simpson (helped develop the field of gynecology / developed the use of chloroform)

Nicholas Steno (helped develop the science of stratigraphy)

George Stokes (helped develop science of fluid mechanics)

Charles B. Thaxton (chemist)

William Thompson (Lord Kelvin) (helped develop sciences of thermodynamics and energetics / invented the Absolute Temperature Scale / developed the Trans-Atlantic Cable)

Larry Vardiman (astrophysicist and geophysicist)

Leonardo da Vinci (helped develop science of hydraulics)

Rudolf Virchow (helped develop science of pathology)

A.J. (Monty) White (chemist)

A.E. Wilder-Smith (chemist and pharmacology expert)

John Woodward (helped develop the science of paleontology)

A more thorough list of current (and past) Creationist scientists is not provided for two reasons: (1) A complete list would be extremely lengthy, and (2) Some scientists would rather not have their name made public due to justified fear of job discrimination and persecution in today's atmosphere of limited academic freedom in Evolutionist-controlled institutions.

Creationists holding DOCTORATES IN SCIENCE
(partial list, in alphabetical order)

Agard, E. Theo

Allan, James

Armstrong, Harold

Arndt, Alexander

Austin, Steven

Barnes, Thomas

Batten, Don

Baumgardner, John

Bergman, Jerry

Boudreaux, Edward

Catchpoole, David

Chadwick, Arthur

Chaffin, Eugene

Chittick, Donald

Cimbala, John

Clausen, Ben

Cole, Sid

Cook, Melvin

Cumming, Ken

Cuozzo, Jack

Darrall, Nancy

Dewitt, David

DeYoung, Donald

Downes, Geoff

Eckel, Robert

Faulkner, Danny

Ford, Dwain

Frair, Wayne

Gentry, Robert

Giem, Paul

Gillen, Alan

Gish, Duane

Gitt, Werner

Gower, D.B.

Grebe, John

Grocott, Stephen

Hawke, George

Hollowell, Kelly

Holroyd, Edmond

Hosken, Bob

Howe, George

Humphreys, D. Russell

Javor, George

Jones, Arthur

Kaufmann, David

Kennedy, Elaine

Klotz, John

Koop, C. Everett

Korochkin, Leonid

Kramer, John

Lammerts, Walter

Lester, Lane

Livingston, David

Lopez, Raul

Marcus, John

Marsh, Frank

Mastropaolo, Joseph

McCombs, Charles

McIntosh, Andrew

McMullen, Tom

Meyer, Angela

Meyer, John

Mitchell, Colin

Morris, Henry

Morris, John

Mumma, Stanley

Parker, Gary

Peet, J. H. John

Rankin, John

Roth, Ariel

Rusch, Wilbert

Sarfati, Jonathan

Snelling, Andrew

Standish, Timothy

Taylor, Stephen

Thaxton, Charles

Thompson, Bert

Thomson, Ker

Vardiman, Larry

Veith, Walter

Walter, Jeremy

Wanser, Keith

Whitcomb, John

White, A.J.(Monty)

Wilder-Smith, Arthur Ernest

Wile, Jay

Williams, Emmett

Wise, Kurt

Wolfrom, Glen

Zuill, Henry

http://www.christiananswers.net/creation/people/home.html
1,264 posted on 10/20/2002 4:07:07 PM PDT by Ready2go
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To: Ready2go
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA! You truly are a useless boob! Why not post the voter list from your precinct? It would mean about as much! BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!
1,265 posted on 10/20/2002 4:24:04 PM PDT by balrog666
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