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Posted on 10/03/2002 11:48:25 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: sinkspur
What foreign shipping companies pay American workers is peanuts compared to their profits. I don't feel sorry for them, they can afford it. The longshoremen want to work, they are waiting to return to their jobs. It's the greedy foreign companies who are trying to eliminate American jobs. Why would you favor foreign companies over American workers?
To: Thumper1960
I'll take their $100k per year wages.......anyday! Then it would be YOU who would be fighting for your job. Many of these jobs are quite dangerous, by the way.
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posted on
10/03/2002 6:16:24 PM PDT
by
Mo1
To: janetgreen
LOLOL!!!
That's OK. The job I have now is pretty damned dangerous. Hell, I'd do what they do, at that pay rate, and not complain one bit.
To: janetgreen
What foreign shipping companies pay American workers is peanuts compared to their profits. I don't feel sorry for them, they can afford it. You are obsessed with the profits of companies. If companies weren't profitable, they couldn't pay these mugs $80,000 a year to operate a crane.
Why would you favor foreign companies over American workers?
I don't favor either. I want low-priced goods, and anything that will lower costs is a good thing.
Unions don't want to lower costs; they want to increase them, which is why I'm basically opposed to labor unions.
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posted on
10/03/2002 6:19:51 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
To: Thumper1960
They fought for their union and their benefits over many years, and now they're fighting again to save what they have. They're not asking for more money, just to keep their jobs. My point was that they are American workers, and many here seem to favor foreign companies over American workers. Globalization seems to be the name of the game here.
To: sinkspur
You want low priced goods. Are you getting all these great low priced goods with the onset of illegal aliens "who do the jobs Americans won't", or are you getting a nation of minimum wage workers who bring down wages for Americans? Depends on which side of the bed you're on, I guess, employee or employer. Guess you're an employer. I just disagree with you, I like to see American workers get paid well, that also is good for the economy.
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To: sinkspur
these mugs $80,000 a year to operate a crane It takes a lot of skill to operate those cranes. Have you tried it? Mugs? Hardly. Your green eyes are showing, sinkspur.
To: janetgreen
The point is there is no "real" reason to strike. New technology is expected to decrease the number of workers needed at the docks. Rather than do what is rational and accept technological advances, the union bosses and their spoiled rotten Luddite Red Diaper baby rank and file want garaunteed jobs for life with no lateral movements in occupations.
There are myriad reasons why this "work stoppage" is a joke. BS statements about "foreign workers" taking American jobs at US ports ain't one of 'em.
To: Thumper1960
They're not striking. They're being locked out. I didn't say that foreign workers were going to take the jobs, I said that the foreign companies would prefer to bring in minimum wage workers to replace the longshoremen and clerks. In California, minimum wage workers means illegal aliens for the most part. Illegals have taken over too many jobs already, why give them more jobs on the docks?
To: janetgreen
I like to see American workers get paid well, that also is good for the economy. I want American workers to get paid what they're worth based on what they produce. Union goons putting a gun to the head of an employer by trying to cripple the economy is responsible for the hostility most Americans feel toward unions.
I'm an employee, in sales. If I don't sell, I don't eat.
Seeing some pig get 80 large for sitting on his butt driving a crane or handing a ticket to a truck driver is not my idea of productivity.
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posted on
10/03/2002 6:35:35 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
To: janetgreen
Why would you favor foreign companies over American workers? Because I'm a shareholder. Those unions are stealing from my kids' college fund. TANSTAAFL.
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posted on
10/03/2002 6:40:14 PM PDT
by
eno_
To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
CNN has a poll right now. Bottom right of page.
Should Jihad Johnnys sentence be light or severe?
Needs freeping.
To: sinkspur
You assume that this guy is a "pig" who collects 80 large ones. Why would you assume that? Go watch what these crane drivers do some day, you might see that they're not "pigs". Could it be that they might be earning their pay because they're skilled?
You say I am obsessed with profits companies make, you seem to be obsessed with what American workers make. Good profits, good salaries, I'm happy for all of them, but I don't think well paid Americans should be deprived of their livelihood for the sake of increased profits for foreign shipping companies.
To: eno_
Because I'm a shareholder Buy American.
To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
A white boy polyglot from Marin would be a star in an Al Quaida camp.
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posted on
10/03/2002 6:47:52 PM PDT
by
eno_
To: sinkspur
You seem to be fairly consumed by the fact that these people make a good wage. I'm assuming that you've never spent any time on or around the waterfront because if you had, more than likely you would begin to understand how dangerous these jobs really can be. Hence, the high wages. The ILWU isn't asking for anything extravagant, only to keep what they have fought hard for over the past 68 years. Keep in mind that during this lockout, the shipping companies are losing their butts, as are the dockworkers. But the middleman, the Pacific Maritime Assoc.(PMA), who initiated the lockout, are still collecting their fat checks.
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posted on
10/03/2002 6:48:12 PM PDT
by
mrbun
To: janetgreen
I bought those share (or ADRs) on the NYSE.
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posted on
10/03/2002 6:48:41 PM PDT
by
eno_
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