Twenty-three year old man shot dead by police in a marijuana raid

Dayton Daily News ^ | 10/01/02 | Cathy Mong

[FormerLurker]

If it's a member of the protected class' son or daughter, none of this long arm of the law stuff would ever happen.

Of course not. Their offspring are MUCH more important than the rest of the citizenry, and need not obey the same laws we do...

[vin-one]

Does anyone know why the search warrant was sealed?

One can only guess, but I will start
CYA
coverup
Get all their Ducks in a row
After the fact alteration
Gun Plant
Drug plant

take your choice this whole thing stinks Like Roscoe's rhetoric.

[ForOurFuture]

Another battle won in the War on Drugs.

[tpaine]

Both you and Buchanan live in a dream world with regard to drugs, willy.
I can understand Pats hypocrisy, -- being a politican, he must pay lip service to that position for the money, if nothing else. You however, should have no such rationale for your deliberate blindness. - A sad case.

[Heyworth]

What consistently stuns me in these cases is that cops have an automatic "get out of jail free/get away with murder" card. All they have to say is, "I'm sorry, I thought he had a gun." Amadou Diallou? "I'm sorry, I thought he had a gun" That guy whose face they blew off in Maryland? "I'm sorry, I thought he had a gun." This new one? "I'm sorry, I thought he had a gun." And that's all it takes. As long as the cop simply says, "I thought he had a gun," he's essentially allowed to shoot anyone he wants. Or there's the variant, "I thought I was in imminent danger." That's the one they used in L.A. when they shot a 55 year old homeless woman with mental problems who was standing 20 feet away with a screwdriver in her hand.

[Orbiting_Rosie's_Head]

Hey! Cool nick! Now we know where the blimpo-lesbo talk show host gets her lunatic ideas!

That's right! I'm stationed here for your entertainment! After all, someone's got to keep you entertained between those erotic fantasies you keep having in which big macho cops are executing the objects of your hate.

[MrLeRoy]

Another battle won in the War on Drugs.

One down, 11,999,999 to go.

[Hemingway's Ghost]

It held that the Lopez standard does NOT apply to illicit drugs.

. . . based on their understanding or finding of what constitutes commerce. For the last time, what constitutes commerce is at issue here, Roscoe---nothing else. I'm not arguing the fact that the federal government has the authority to regulate interstate commerce.

God, please tell me you don't practice law for a living.

[A2J]

TELL ME! Oh Bible Scholar, do the scriptures tell you it is O.K. to break down the door of your neighbor and shoot him dead because he enjoys the gifts and rights which God gave to him?

No, they do not.

However, they DO give government the authority to punish "evil doers" (those who violate the laws of the land, assuming such laws do not contradict God's laws).

Understand that it is very unfortunate that a young man was killed, but had he been doing what is right, i.e., obeying the law and staying away from known drug hangouts, he would still be alive today.

[vin-one]

God, please tell me you don't practice law for a living.
no but he plays one on T.V.

[Roscoe]

For the last time, what constitutes commerce is at issue here, Roscoe---nothing else.

And the libertarians who endlessly wail that guns can be outlawed unless we legalize illicit drugs have been proved wrong. Again.

[A2J]

The cop who pulled the trigger killed the perp and his LEO pals were just congratulating him for making the world a safer place in the form of high fives and smokes.

And those officers should be severely punished for publicly displaying such a non-chalant attitude over the death of a person, especially one who did not, as far as we know, threaten them.

[vin-one]

What can I say it happens all the time, and every now and then a bad one gets prosecuted.
Most of the time they do very well in covering it up,
hopefully this time the people take notice, and hold this JBT's feet to the fire.

[Hemingway's Ghost]

And the libertarians who endlessly wail that guns can be outlawed unless we legalize illicit drugs have been proved wrong. Again.

More misdirection. The issue here is what constitutes commerce, not that guns = drugs. And I'm not a Libertarian, thanks.

[PaxMacian]

RE:those who violate the laws of the land, 'assuming' such laws do not contradict God's laws

Your assumption is in this case incorrect.

GOD MADE HERB
GOD SAW THAT IT WAS GOOD
GOD GAVE IT TO MAN

Genesis 1:11
Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth"; and it was so.

Genesis 1:12
And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:29
And God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Nowhere in God's law does it say don't use herb!

[Roscoe]

The issue here is what constitutes commerce, not that guns = drugs.

Billions of dollars worth of drug contraband flow across our state and national borders.

Drawing a false equivalence between illicit drugs and the right to keep and bear arms is one of the most hoary cliches of libertarianism and its fellow travelers.

[MrLeRoy]

The issue here is what constitutes commerce, not that guns = drugs.

Drawing a false equivalence between illicit drugs and the right to keep and bear arms

Mercy, but you're stupid.

[Roscoe]

Mercy, but you're stupid.

Drawing a false equivalence between illicit drugs and the right to keep and bear arms is one of the most hoary cliches of libertarianism and its fellow travelers.

[tpaine]

Nope, all we hear is more of roscoes endless wail that anything can be prohibited for the good of society.
It's the cry of an authoritarian socialist, masquerading as a conservative.

[Roscoe]

Legal restrictions on marijuana and other illicit drugs exist at the federal level and in all fifty states. America is a nation of law, much to the consternation of anarchists in all of their various guises.