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Twenty-three year old man shot dead by police in a marijuana raid
Dayton Daily News ^ | 10/01/02 | Cathy Mong

Posted on 10/01/2002 7:16:59 AM PDT by Phantom Lord

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To: tacticalogic
What difference does that make?

The courts don't share your myopia. As the 2nd Circuit noted:

The Supreme Court in Lopez further explained that it struck down the Gun-Free School Zones Act because:

Section 922(q) is a criminal statute that by its terms has nothing to do with "commerce" or any sort of economic enterprise, however broadly one might define those terms. Section 922(q) is not an essential part of a larger regulation of economic activity, in which the regulatory scheme could be undercut unless the intrastate activity were regulated. It cannot, therefore, be sustained under our cases upholding regulations of activities that arise out of or are connected with a commercial transaction, which viewed in the aggregate, substantially affects interstate commerce.

Lopez, 115 S. Ct. at 1630-31 (footnote omitted). The difference between this and the manufacture and distribution of controlled substances is striking. These activities are commercial by their very nature. Indeed, in upholding a different section of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. § 846), we recently noted that, in contrast to the statute invalidated in Lopez, "[t]he Controlled Substances Act concerns an obviously economic activity." Genao, 79 F.3d at 1337.

It is therefore not surprising that every court that has considered the question, both before and after the Supreme Court's decision in Lopez, has concluded that section 841(a)(1) represents a valid exercise of the commerce power. See, e.g., United States v. Edwards, ___ F.3d ___, ___, 1996 WL 621913, at *5 (D.C. Cir. Oct. 29, 1996); United States v. Kim, 94 F.3d 1247, 1249-50 (9th Cir. 1996); United States v. Bell, 90 F.3d 318, 321 (8th Cir. 1996); United States v. Lerebours, 87 F.3d 582, 584-85 (1st Cir. 1996); United States v. Wacker, 72 F.3d 1453, 1475 (10th Cir. 1995), cert. denied, 117 S. Ct. 136 (1996); United States v. Leshuk, 65 F.3d 1105, 1111-12 (4th Cir. 1995); United States v. Scales, 464 F.2d 371, 375 (6th Cir. 1972); Lopez, 459 F.2d at 953.


121 posted on 10/01/2002 10:14:21 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Willie Green
"firearm toting druggies"

Man, this is the kind of crap I hate to hear. Way to go out there and connect guns to drugs, just like all the rest of the liberal media.

Do you own a firearm? Do you smoke cigarettes? Do you drink the occasional beer? Well then you sir are a "firearm toting druggie", by your own definition.
122 posted on 10/01/2002 10:16:30 AM PDT by walkingdead
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To: Roscoe
Illicit drugs aren't "tobacco products, fatty foods, SUVs, french fries."

Tobacco products, fatty foods, SUVs, and french fries could be made illicit in a matter of moments on a federal level by one stroke of the congressional pen, just like marijuana was made illicit in 1937 by the Marijuana Tax Act. There is no substance to your counter-argument.

Drugs dealers would be well advised to avoid armed confrontations with police officers.

Let me get this straight: because marijuana was involved, you have no problem with a paramilitary police officer gunning down a person in his or her home when that person may not have been armed???? Are you quite sure you're not just flexing your internet toughguy muscles here?

123 posted on 10/01/2002 10:16:55 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Roscoe
And not a single word about the right to keep and bear arms. It's all about "commerce". I'll stand by my argument.
124 posted on 10/01/2002 10:17:32 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Roscoe
Illicit drugs are anything 'authorities' decree them to be.


Drugs dealers would be well advised to avoid armed confrontations with police officers in roscoes perfect authoriarian state.
Let us hope we never see it.
125 posted on 10/01/2002 10:17:48 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: Willie Green
I'm sure it specifies the probable cause that justifies this magnitude of force. I'm not buying into the whiney, disengenuous pleas of innocence that are routinely regurgitated by firearm toting druggies.

It seems to me that because you don't like "druggies," you don't give a sh*t what happens to one of them. Why don't we just leave it at that, because that's the kind of quality argument I seem to be getting from you.

126 posted on 10/01/2002 10:18:35 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Willie Green
The police had a warrant, and I'm sure they violated the probable cause that justifies this magnitude of force.

I'm not buying into the whiney, disengenuous pleas of innocence that are routinely regurgitated by firearm toting uniformed thugs.
127 posted on 10/01/2002 10:21:55 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: AdA$tra
Wow. Stupid cop died for 12 ounces of plants. Forgive me for not shedding any tears.
128 posted on 10/01/2002 10:23:52 AM PDT by The FRugitive
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To: tacticalogic
And not a single word about the right to keep and bear arms. It's all about "commerce". I'll stand by my argument.

Roscoe is great at finding things in Supreme Court arguments. He's pathetic at applying them. Appellate lawyers who monitor Free Republic dream of facing someone like Roscoe in court.

129 posted on 10/01/2002 10:23:58 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: tacticalogic
It's all about "commerce". I'll stand by my argument.

Facts notwithstanding.

130 posted on 10/01/2002 10:25:03 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Benson_Carter
illegality does not constitute criminal behavior

Breaking the law isn't illegal???
That's a pretty strange arguement.

growing and smoking marijuana has no victim.

All kinds of victims in this article, ranging from the perps to the perp's family who lost their loved one.
What kind of idiot would come down the steps brandishing a 9mm handgun when the police SWAT team is making a drug bust?
Only a complete moroon whose judgement is severely impaired by drug addiction.
As an adult, he certainly should have know better.
It is certainly no secret that illicit drug abuse is against the law.
And it is certainly no secret as to the potential consequences of resisting arrest with the use of a firearm.
This poor sucker chose to break the law anyway. Tough noogies for him.

131 posted on 10/01/2002 10:25:56 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Tobacco products, fatty foods, SUVs, and french fries could be made illicit in a matter of moments on a federal level by one stroke of the congressional pen

Ping me when it happens.

132 posted on 10/01/2002 10:27:38 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Roscoe is great at finding things in Supreme Court arguments.

2nd Circuit.

Read a book.

133 posted on 10/01/2002 10:30:54 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Facts notwithstanding.

Your opinion of what the "facts" are notwithstanding.

134 posted on 10/01/2002 10:31:22 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tpaine
I'm not buying into the whiney, disengenuous pleas of innocence that are routinely regurgitated by firearm toting uniformed thugs.

Big whoop. So you're a libertarian anarchist who hides behind the Constitution to subvert law enforcement and allow the criminal element of our society to run rampant. What else is new?

135 posted on 10/01/2002 10:31:29 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Roscoe
Ping me when it happens.

I'll know you when I see you because you'll be the one with the blindfold on and the earplugs in your ears.

136 posted on 10/01/2002 10:32:21 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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137 posted on 10/01/2002 10:32:35 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Phantom Lord
And this is what happens when you give special forces training to fat, slow witted beat cops who have a lust for power and a desire to show what macho, tough guys they are.
138 posted on 10/01/2002 10:36:52 AM PDT by galt-jw
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To: Phantom Lord
"They saw me, drenched in Clay's blood, and they ask me, 'Is he all right?' and I just shook my head. The cops are smoking and joking, high-fiving each other. Wow, I think, they took down a farm of unarmed hippies.

And some here wonder why there is a lack of support for certain branches of law enforcement. These particular pukes are no better than Hitler's Gestapo.

139 posted on 10/01/2002 10:38:34 AM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: Willie Green
Are we all guilty until proven innocent now?! How many people have been charged in this case? 0
140 posted on 10/01/2002 10:38:52 AM PDT by Durus
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