Twenty-three year old man shot dead by police in a marijuana raid

Dayton Daily News ^ | 10/01/02 | Cathy Mong

[TBall]

"What's the significance of being 23 years old?" If the kid was 20 years old, then the police would have been able kill him for underage drinking and possession.

[AdA$tra]

It was several years ago, but I will see what I can do. At least a related article may be available as the guy just got out of jail last year.

[semaj]

Serves those long-haired pot-smoking hippies right. What did they think they were doing smoking marijuana in their own house? And the nerve of that guy to saunter down the stairs to see what the commotion was all about. He obviously got what was comin to him. They acted like there was a Bill of Rights or somethin'.

[ThinkDifferent]

What that these dopers probably agree with socilaist, Hillary friend, and main money backer for the pro-drug movement, George Soros.

Well done. Now run back to your UN masters so they can reward you for furthering their agenda.

(You see, both sides can play the guilt by association game).

[semaj]

"Cops have given up their responsibility to think and weigh their actions in ethical and moral values."

Sometimes I get the feeling they police have changed their motto from "To Serve and protect" to "Harass and Oppress."

[Roscoe]

It's no surprise that you ignore the role of the 9mm handgun in this event.

If the armed drug dealer had managed to shoot a police officer they would be cheering.

[AdA$tra]

Do you have a link to that story?

Here^ is a related story after the fact. Our local paper archives do not go back far enough to get the original.

[tpaine]

"Possession of illicit drugs and firearms is a sure prescription for suicide by cop." - willie -


Unconstitutional laws making possession of some drugs and firearms 'illicit' is a sure prescription for suicide by cop in an authoritarian society.

Our country is supposedly still a free republic, despite the best efforts of the willies, danes, & roscoes that infest it, laboring to subvert its principles.

[Dead Dog]

All it would take is for my neighbor to call in, anonymously, for whatever reason. Then, KIRO will have pictures of my dead dog (no pun intended), and me dead or handcuffed, with the caption "Arsenal, unregistered military style weapons, ammo cache, and explosive making material with detonators seized in raid". Gary Locke would have a chubby and take a hit of the Gubernatorial Bong (packed with confiscated weed). And all they would have is two old shotguns, a POS M-1 carbine, and a lbs. of IRML and some primers (explosive making material and detonators).

But hey, while I'm in lockup waiting to be charged with whatever they can find (I've got an unpaid parking ticket), they get to auction off my property, my dog (Terriaki joint down the street), and my fiancé's ring.

Pretty cool, better than taxes, and more fun for the local SWAT.

[walkingdead]

Yep, I hear that. And my tax dollars would see to it that you were locked up for life. How dare you have guns and reloading equipment. Oh and maybe some "loading" equipment. ha ha

[Hemingway's Ghost]

It's no surprise that you ignore the role of the 9mm handgun in this event.

Okay, let's bring it up:

Friends called Helriggle "peaceful and nonviolent," but police said the 1997 Twin Valley South High School graduate held a 9 mm handgun, not a blue cup, in his right hand when he descended the dimly lighted stairs. Roommates said Helriggle owned a 9 mm gun, but that it was upstairs when police entered their house.

What we have here is a case of the cops saying one thing and the people who were there saying another. Even though you desperately want to believe that Helriggle was holding the 9 mm and pointing it at the cop who shot him like a deranged maniac all hopped up on goofballs doesn't make it true. You're projecting.

What we have here is a case of grown up "professionals" playing cowboys and indians with real guns and real bullets. Even if you support the War on Drugs, you should question the method by which this dangerous druggie was apprehended. Is a no-knock, paramilitary-style police raid necessary to bring every offender to justice?

[tpaine]

Willie Green:
It's no surprise that you ignore the role of the 9mm handgun in this event.

If the armed drug dealer had managed to shoot a police officer they would be cheering. - roscoe
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You two freepcreeps have absolutely no basis for your 'gun role/drug dealer' agit-prop BS.

Your anti-constitutionalist agendas grow clearer with every post on FR. Flat amazing.

[Hemingway's Ghost]

Of course not. Illicit drug use doesn't equal the right to keep and bear arms.

I assume, then, you'll have no problem when Congress uses the constitutional authority granted to them in the Commerce Clause to prohibit the use of tobacco products, fatty foods, SUVs, french fries, or whatever the social engineer's cause du jour is, yes?

[Hemingway's Ghost]

If the armed drug dealer had managed to shoot a police officer they would be cheering.

Not true. Senseless violence sucks.

[Benson_Carter]

it's my impression that you can't even JOIN the Navy unless you've passed an initial drug test and are able to pass random screeings. So I would doubt that he was smoking marijuana from the time he joined up to the time he EARNED THE RIGHT to try out for SEAL training.

and from my understanding of SEAL training, you're not allowed oodles of time to sit around on your hands and get high...

maybe this kid did in fact get thrown out of SEAL training for smoking reefer, but I doubt it. I think you shouldn't let your blind hatred for a naturally-occuring herb to cloud your otherwise probably OK judgement.

illegality does not constitute criminal behavior. crimes have victims and perps, by definition. rapes, murders, robberies, vandalism, extortion... these all have victims. growing and smoking marijuana has no victim.

SMOKING MARIJUANA IS NOT A CRIME

[tacticalogic]

the USSC doesn't apply the Lopez standard to the CSA.

Of course not. Illicit drug use doesn't equal the right to keep and bear arms.

What difference does that make? Guns, drugs, spotted owls, freon - it's all "commerce".

[Roscoe]

Illicit drugs aren't "tobacco products, fatty foods, SUVs, french fries."

Drugs dealers would be well advised to avoid armed confrontations with police officers.

[Willie Green]

Is a no-knock, paramilitary-style police raid necessary to bring every offender to justice?

No. The police had a warrant, and I'm sure it specifies the probable cause that justifies this magnitude of force.
I'm not buying into the whiney, disengenuous pleas of innocence that are routinely regurgitated by firearm toting druggies.

[Dead Dog]

Who was it, FDR, that got all this crap in under Intersate Commerce? It must of been, he had the most corrupt, anti-constitution SC this side of Ruth.B.Ginsburg (sic)

[walkingdead]

The whole point of the 9mm is this. First, I never read anywhere where it says that the kid pointed the 9mm at them. Second, we?re not even sure he had a 9mm. Third, do the cops expect something different when they bash in someones door? Tell you what, they bash my door down, and I don?t know it?s them, they?re gettin sprayed. Period. Cop or not, I still have the GOD-GIVEN RIGHT to protect myself and my family.

I used to live in a small town in Northern California. One day shortly after a buddy of mine moved into a new house, he woke up and found his brother dead in his bed. Turns out the cops snuck in the window and killed him. Some DEA thing. Worse part is, the one they were really trying to get had moved out over two weeks prior to my friends moving in. So don?t anyone give me this ?cops are holier than thou? crap. Cops are just as stupid as you and I, only they need less schooling to do the job they do, and they get guns to do it with.