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Laura Bush confident in Mexico-U.S. immigration agreement
The News - Mexico City ^ | 9/26/02 | N/A

Posted on 09/26/2002 9:00:02 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan

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To: sweetliberty
I am starting to resent my Chihuahua.

But given what the rat-dog is like, I'd probably feel the same way even if there was zero mexican immigration. Those dogs are eeeeeeevil!

321 posted on 09/26/2002 8:05:07 PM PDT by kaylar
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To: Sabertooth
I've been looking at this thread all day, Saber, and there truly is no reason for any of the Bush folks to post here. It's nothing more than a baited thread. You may be sincere, but there are others here who are not and it truly isn't worth the energy to ultimately end up doing this:
322 posted on 09/26/2002 8:05:27 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Tancredo Fan
"Our whole country is made up of immigrants who were able to overcome poverty and obtain good jobs.."

Yea, well, here in CA 60% of our prison population is made up of illegals. They overcame poverty, all right: three meals and a bed, courtesy of my tax dollars.

Don't know about good jobs, unless you count manufacturing license plates as skilled labor.
323 posted on 09/26/2002 8:09:49 PM PDT by hoosierskypilot
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To: Sabertooth
Besides, you already know my position on immigration (as do many freepers)...
324 posted on 09/26/2002 8:11:12 PM PDT by rintense
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To: kaylar
A target manager in Jefferson City, MO once told a coworker of mine, when she asked if they had a layaway department, that Target "wanted to attract a higher class of customer" and accepting layaways would hinder this.

That's interesting. I've always wondered why the Targets here are okay places to shop, the aisles are clean and orderly, there's not a lot of pushing and shoving but the prices aren't bad. The Walmarts on the other hand are usually trashed with many items all over the floors.

325 posted on 09/26/2002 8:12:37 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: ohioWfan
I agree completely. He was evasive, convoluted, and illogical. Tancredo could have cleaned his clock, if the time hadn't run out.

What was troubling about this was that Torres went on an on spouting one lie after another. He claimed that illegals pay more taxes than they get back in services. This is a bald faced lie. He wasn't called on it. Jerks like Torres seem to think that American sovereignty is for sale, or is somehow negotiable between the government and a bunch of invaders, and that illegal aliens have paid and deserve to be rewarded. That SOB ought to be fired by morning. Colorado taxpayers are paying that seditionist to carry on his "Chicano studies" crap. It's outrageous. What does he teach besides revolution? How to steal hubcaps? Disgusting.

326 posted on 09/26/2002 8:16:03 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: dixie sass
If I own a business and need unskilled labor and I have two people applying for work and one will work of one dollar and the other for three dollars, guess which one I will hire?

Even though the law requires you pay $5.15 an hour?

Seriously though when they make illegals legal then they must be paid minimum wage and their employers will then find new illegals to work. It happened in a very massive level in the area I live in, many of those legalized in the 80's have not yet learned English, the unemployment rate is very high and they no longer have to work for low wages but can live off government programs instead ---and the costs are staggering to us taxpayers ---many are leaving.

327 posted on 09/26/2002 8:18:08 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: kaylar
"I am starting to resent my Chihuahua"

ROTFL!!

328 posted on 09/26/2002 8:18:42 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: Barnacle
You know, I don’t really blame the illegal aliens for coming here.

I don't either and I don't even distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants much because there are some illegals I can respect because they only intend to work a few years and would like to return home and some illegals aren't using free health care or schools (some actually left families behind in Mexico and send money home) but many of the legals you see around here will not likely ever work unless they absolutely must. Also many legals are the elderly being brought in by their now legal children so they can enjoy a life on SSI and Medicaid here, they're not coming to work or be productive or pay any taxes, they are coming strictly to use our system. People would be amazed at how fraudulent the "sponsor" program of immigrants is.

329 posted on 09/26/2002 8:22:56 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: kaylar
Yes, that's what I'm thinking, though it may be extended out thirty years. However, given the trends, ten to twenty seems more reasonable.

Bush has passed more left wing, anti-constitutional legislation in two years than Clinton got through in eight years. Bush has signed CFR. He supports an amnesty, the EU, the UN. He signed one of the largest education bills in the nation's history. Bush backtracked on stem cell research. He appointed two homosexuals to his cabinet. Bush continues to push for more free-trade, the latest being that of Columbia, Peru and the Andean region of South America. Bush signed the Patriot Act, and he wants a Homeland Security Bill that will give him, or any future president, the ability to increase the size and scope of the federal government, indefinitely, without the consent of congress. Knowing that Christians, Constitutionalists, and Defenders of the 2nd Amendment have been identified as "terrorists", who's to say that this new Homeland Security won't go after American citizens. Bush has actually backtracked on the ICC. Do you really think that after this one year is over that Americans will be exempt. People also like to talk of Bush's stance on Kyoto and the UN, but take a look at the proposed environmental legislation and pro-UN speak that has been wrapped up in the War on Terror legislation:

Moreover, in some places, the text mostly concedes the arguments of the left, especially the green left. One might consider, as a further f'rinstance, the discussion of climate change. The document doesn't mention the Kyoto Treaty by name, but it might just as well: Economic growth should be accompanied by global efforts to stabilize greenhouse gas concentrations associated with this growth, containing them at a level that prevents dangerous human interference with the global climate. Our overall objective is to reduce America's greenhouse gas emissions relative to the size of our economy, cutting such emissions per unit of economic activity by 18 percent over the next 10 years, by the year 2012. Our strategies for attaining this goal will be to:

remain committed to the basic U.N. Framework Convention for international cooperation;

obtain agreements with key industries to cut emissions of some of the most potent greenhouse gases and give transferable credits to companies that can show real cuts;

develop improved standards for measuring and registering emission reductions.

We are guided by the conviction that no nation can build a safer, better world alone. Alliances and multilateral institutions can multiply the strength of freedom-loving nations. The United States is committed to lasting institutions like the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, the Organization of American States, and NATO as well as other long-standing alliances.

Come on, what do all of these things reveal?

330 posted on 09/26/2002 8:23:23 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: dixie sass
Tyson paid decent wages before they started hiring illegals. These were paid to Americans. Did you notice chicken prices get cheaper when they hired illegals? I didn't. Lots of the profits were undoubtedly used to lobby Bubba too. Tyson also ruined many streams/rivers in Arkansas too. Bubba/Gore overlooked that as well...
331 posted on 09/26/2002 8:23:44 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: sweetliberty
Any ladies want to stick their necks out and talk about the unmentionable? You know--the creepy, lecherous gazes...disrespect....creepy lacivious grins? I know--its a hush-hush topic...women only bring it up in a room amongst themselves...they fear being branded "racist".
332 posted on 09/26/2002 8:24:21 PM PDT by two23
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To: Barnacle
Also if you were someone in a country like Mexico who really thought the idea of not working for a living at all but instead liked the idea of living off taxpayers, it would only make perfect sense to get to the US. They don't have welfare at all in Mexico so of course we're going to get all those types and some of the type who really will work for a living but like a higher pay than $3 a day.
333 posted on 09/26/2002 8:26:46 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: dixie sass
Just not true. Salmonella and e. Coli are present in chicken crap, to be blunt. If you're not careful when handling the chicken, or simply don't know that getting feces everywhere is a bad thing then it spreads. Uneducated/unskilled people make these mistakes. Especially when there's a language difference involved.

Now, as to illegals spreading Hepatitis and other diseases, you are quite correct. More reason for them not to be anywhere near our food processing plants.

334 posted on 09/26/2002 8:28:27 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: dixie sass
I don't recall having a choice in the matter. Honestly. When do you see advertised that all our processed meat is processed by illegals? When did this happen? Did the meat get cheaper when it happened? No, but a lot of Americans that used to work in these plants got unemployed and the manufacturers are grinning with glee and flashing their $$$'s. Do you realize if you buy furniture made in the US it's probably made by illegals? Ditto construction work, carpets, roofing. Have any of these items become cheaper for Americans since they became illegal based industries? Did you notice a price difference that led you to choose the illegal based manufacturers over ones that still hired Americans? I certainly didn't.
335 posted on 09/26/2002 8:31:01 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Tancredo Fan
We all have a sensitivity for our neighbors to the south. But if we are to believe the report here, our dear first lady unfortunately just doesn't get it.

The difference in immigration from the south, legal or otherwise from other countries around the world, lies in the capacity. The governments to the south can virtually encourage not tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands but millions upon millions upon millions of their poorest to leave for the USA. In effect they solve their poverty problem by exporting it.

These governments learned from Castro's Mariel boatlift in 1980, where he allowed upwards of 125,000 of his people including the mentally ill and the criminally insane to board boats bound for Florida. Later clusters of boat people were stopped through bribery of their governments under Clinton, but the illegal border crossings exploded in numbers and continue to this day.

Yes we all have sensitivities but not for this. We should instead be threatening the hardest line possible to these countries that illegally export their impoverished to the USA. If they can't get their act together, we will by threat of assassination, force, covert ops and financial ruin take them out. The leaders in question need to understand that there will be no refuge on this Earth for them to hide. They either deal with their poor or face the consequences.

This is harsh and necessarily so. Sensitivity, sustainability, diversity are code words for capitulation of US power.
336 posted on 09/26/2002 8:35:05 PM PDT by Hostage
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To: Sungirl
WHy does FOX want all his people to come over here?

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I'm gladd you asked. Here is the answer.

Get yourself a map of Mexico. You'll notice the roads and cities are in the southern third where there is water and low land. Much of Mexico is barely inhabitable barren wasteland. There is little industry and a teeming overpopulation growing by 2% per year even with massive migration out of the country. Fox needs to get rid of nearly 3,000,000 people per year to maintain the present state of chaos and poverty. They need to be moved North into the U. S. He also needs the industry in the state of California and similar places to furnish necessary jobs. Thus he needs to flood those areas with people and annex those areas. Without Aztlan Fox and Mexico are a cooked goose. Bush's kook agenda will facilitate Fox's plan.

337 posted on 09/26/2002 8:48:11 PM PDT by RLK
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To: RLK
you left out the part where they work here and send their money BACK to mexico...
338 posted on 09/26/2002 8:50:46 PM PDT by two23
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To: Sungirl
WHy does FOX want all his people to come over here??

He doesn't want ALL of them to come here (not the European types), but Mexico is a very racist country, their elites tend to be quite blond and the elites want the impovered Indians and Mestizos out or they fear they'll demand some changes and bring down their oligarchy which is how they obtain their vast wealth.

339 posted on 09/26/2002 9:03:48 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Yup, Mexico is ethnically cleansing its native population north, to us. Everybody but us apparently knows it. Which is why the Holy Father said what he said to Fox when he visited MX.
340 posted on 09/26/2002 9:06:57 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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