Denver Police Department "spy file" describes Libertarian Party as a "militia" type organization.

Libertarian Party ^ | 9/24/02 | LP.org

[Roscoe]

They might try actually studying the issues.

Stanley's role in this election is to work to keep the Democrats in control of the United States Senate.

"A poll conducted by MSNBC on Sept. 17-18 shows Allard with 41.6 percent of Colorado's vote while Strickland has 41.5 (with a 4.5 margin of error)."

http://www.collegian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2002/09/26/3d929199a12d0

[rb22982]

No, libertarian shortcomings are much more plentiful than that: pro-abortion, open borders, etc. etc.

Not all libertarians are pro-abortion, and some are not for open borders. Libertarianism (the philosophy) does not outrightly deal with national borders so libertarians can disagree. I would be ok with open borders only on the condition of complete removal of all socialistic programs and be completely sure that no more large scale foreign terrorist attacks would occur. The first is possible, the second right now isn't, so at the moment, I'm not for open borders, and I'm also pro-life.

[elfman2]

Okay. You asked (rhetorically) why Republicans consider Libertarians a threat, dispite believing that they are so wrong. I brought up the Green Party and what they "did to the equitable supporter of their ideology in 2000" figuring you would see the connection. I probably could have worded it better.

The Green Party cost the Democratic Party the presidential election in 2000. What was the margin, about 550 Votes here in Florida? That's a small fraction of what they drained from the Democrats here. Republican's don’t want a split off from ether the Christian right or the Libertarians to have the same effect on us in 2004. I can't speak for all Republicans, but that's why I personally spend time attacking Libertarians when I think that they're mistaken.

[CJ Wolf]

Stanley's role in this election is to work to keep the Democrats in control of the United States Senate.

So are you saying his campaigning tactics would attract otherwise republicans? why is that?

[Roscoe]

Stanley's "campaign" has consisted largely of attacks on Allard.

[CJ Wolf]

So Stanley is attacking Allard. I take it you assume the attacks may draw on the fence republicans to vote for Stanley instead of Allard? That apears to be the root of your objection to Stanley. Why would on the fence republicans even listen to him?

[Lloyd227]

Anyone here honestly believe this only happens in Colorado?

Anyone really think that maintaining files on organizations which espouse controversial, unpopular or politically incorrect views or on the people who participate in such organizations is even 'uncommon' ?

If you would like to believe that this is simply a little aberration out in Denver and that this couldn't possibly happen in your town, or at the federal level then I'd have to ask if the sky is blue in your world.

[Roscoe]

So Stanley is attacking Allard. I take it you assume the attacks may draw on the fence republicans to vote for Stanley instead of Allard?

How long did it take to craft that piece of tunnel vision?

Voters are Republicans, Democrats, third party and no party. Allard can lose votes to Strickland, third party candidates or simply by people not voting in that race.

Stanley's a loathsome half-witted fanatic who will influence very few, but the race is very close.

[Cato]

So I guess people who vote their position, their concience are wrong in doing so?? Why not just ban all political partys except the Republican Party and the Democratic Party??

We have free elections "AS LONG AS YOU VOTE FOR ONE OF THE TWO OFFICIALLY APPROVED PARTYS"? Really neat and a big reason why I am resistant to voting for either one.

Did you ever think that the problem is with the Demos and Repo Partys?? No, don't consider that. A reality check might cause you to change your slavish commitment to whichever party of the ruling Duolpoly is your chosen savior.

If you have a problem with getting votes because of the 1%ers then I think you need to check yourself and your party. Blaming any third party for your party's poor showing in the elections is nothing more than a denial of reality. Seek help.

Note: make a law that Requires all people to vote and then offer them just one/two choices. They do that in other nations and it gives the appearance of total participation and approval by the voters. Of course it is just an appearance.

I will not give up my right to choose who I will vote for when it does not meet your approval. Ask others what they think about that idea.

CATO

[Joe Hadenuf]

Yeah, go after American citizens while Colorado is being over run with thousands of illegal aliens......

[Joe Hadenuf]

Excellent post!

[Cato]

The Green Party cost the Democratic Party the presidential election in 2000. What was the margin, about 550 Votes here in Florida?

SO WHAT?

The DEMOs lost the election, even though they tried to steal it, because they were not liked by the voters. Same thing applies to any close election lost by the REPOs. Get used to losing elections when you lose the confidence of the voters.

When MILLIONS of votes are casted and you, or the the DEMOs, lose by this number then you need to work on Changing your platform or nominees. This is very simple to see. What IF I came on here and said that Libertarians or Greens or Reform lost because REPOs or DEMOs were running in the election?? You would see it for what it is, sour grapes.

CATO

[Mo1]

WIPE THE SMILE OFF OF THIS MAN'S FACE.

VOTE THE RATS OUT!!

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[Cato]

IF ALL partys would limit their political activities to Constitutional matters instead of parceling out moneys taken from the taxpayer or printed by the Fed(where inflation really comes from) then who got elected would not be a matter of life or death as it seems to have become.

Does not it seem that whoever gets elected anymore has become a power unto themselves and any old rag called our Constitution that may limit those powers be damned.

Take care and be well,
CATO

[elfman2]

" So I guess people who vote their position, their concience are wrong in doing so?? "

I have not idea what you're talking about. If you can show me how a reasonable person could draw that conclusion from what I said, I'll apologize. Otherwise, I think you're making no more sense than KDD, and I don't have the patience to follow people's lengthy posts when they stray so far from reason in the first sentence.

I read 3 more sentience. You sound like a lunatic. Don't talk to me.

[CJ Wolf]

How long did it take to craft that piece of tunnel vision?

Just long enough for you to show why you really don't like him.

[FrankC]

Oh dear! What a severe case of cranio-rectal inversion . .It must be painful, not to mention dark and dank in there!
For the record, libertarians want to live as free people. Period. You know, kinda like the founders described, with civil rights and personal dignity and no big brother or do-goody maiden aunt picking what they may or may not do all the time.
We also want law and order. Yes! Amazing as it might sound,most of the libertarians I know would be even harsher on the low-lifes than either Reps or Dems. The death penalty would be swift and applied frequently. Predators of any sort would never see the light of day again. Rape a child - you die. Violently rape a woman - fifteen years of hard labor for the first count, life for the second and death for a third. Now. Does this sound like a stoned out doper just out for free grass to you?

[Willie Green]

Now. Does this sound like a stoned out doper just out for free grass to you?

Sounds more like you just emerged from a stoned-out-of-your-gourd coma.
My reply on this thread is over a week old.
There are some fresher threads just posted today where I was zinging the druggies.
See if you can find 'em and let this one gather dust in the archives.

[Cato]

Republican's don’t want a split off from ether the Christian right or the Libertarians to have the same effect on us in 2004.

Yeah, sure you don't want that. Then keep on making libertarian friends as you are want to do with your tirade against libertarians for their perceived threat to REPO electoral aspirations. Kinda like you want me to say,

"I voted Republican because I was called names and threatened repeatedly by those very Republicans(In Name Only, IMO) I now vote for."

I tell you,

"You are a greater threat to LIBERTY than any libertarian would ever be sir with that attitude."

But, don't believe me sir, ask others what they think about that attitude.

Toodle lou,
CATO

[elfman2]

I said don't talk to me. Your unnatural obsession with me exemplifies what kind of fools still call themselves Libertarians. You're doing more for the Republican unity than anything I could imagine.