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Mother in Beating Surrenders

Posted on 09/21/2002 2:46:55 PM PDT by GnuHere

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To: sneakypete
What Mike refuses to admit is that Ms. Toogood is not going to be publicly stoned as she walks into the precinct station. She'll get her court date if there are charges filed. The fact that there are serious allegations of criminal abuse means that the authorities have to intervene and investigate. Children are not mere property or chattel, as the Libertarians would allege.
161 posted on 09/21/2002 7:40:35 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: southern rock; Mike4Freedom
I knew of a case once where a little boy was taken from his mother by a government agency because the mother was abusing him. Then a judge ruled that she could have her child back. When she regained custody of him, she resumed abusing the child until finally he became permanently blind due to repeated blows to his head.

So what you're saying is we should wait until a child is permanently injured or dead to do something about an abusive parent? What logic.

162 posted on 09/21/2002 7:45:54 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: Catspaw
Well, there's a warrant out for mommy for shoplifting at a Kohls in Forth Worth, and mommy was going in with a return at a Kohls in Indiana (she wanted cash). Mommy was refused--that happens when one doesn't have a receipt, because they give you your money back or a credit card credit when you have a receipt.

This woman was NOT from the Northwest Indiana area. She sounded Canadian or something. I only saw a small snippet of the video, it looked kind of far away to me so I'm not sure how some of you people saw all the detail you claimed to see - exact number of blows and what parts of the body they were delivered to, etc. I did see her turn and check to see if anyone was looking - that was pretty shady. I thought it looked like she turned the little girl around and was whooping her behind, but perhaps those who saw the whole video know more.

Maybe the little girl made an inopportune comment at the return desk that foiled her attempt get a cash refund?

163 posted on 09/21/2002 7:49:30 PM PDT by Shethink13
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To: tabsternager
So what you're saying is we should wait until a child is permanently injured or dead to do something about an abusive parent? What logic.

And unfortunately, it's the prevailing logic, despite what some would have you believe. When my oldest stepdaughter was being abused by her father's live-in girlfriend, we took her to the base hospital. They in turn called Las Vegas Metro Police who came out, saw the adult sized hand shaped bruise from where she was grabbed on the upper arm, and the bruise on her back and buttocks from where she'd been thrown into a wall, listened to her story, and then asked us "Well, what do you want us to do?"

They explained that they could take no action unless there were broken bones or "something more serious."

164 posted on 09/21/2002 7:51:15 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob
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To: .30Carbine
Toogood's attorney, Houston lawyer Steven Rosen, said Friday that his client regrets the incident. "It was a bad choice, and it was captured on Candid Camera," Rosen said Friday. "She's very remorseful. She regrets it."

Interesting. While you're still defending the mother's "right" to slap and beat the daylights out of an innocent little girl, the mother is admitting that she did wrong. What I saw on the tape I would intervene and stop in a second. I would call the police in a half second. So if you propose to punish your own child in my presence in this manner, you had better be prepared for the conseqeunces.

You Neanderthals can drag your knuckles back to your caves now.

165 posted on 09/21/2002 7:56:05 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: .30Carbine
Guess who were the true FReepers on this one:

You "guessed" wrong, Carbine. The true FReepers are those who are concerned about the little girl, about her welfare. The three you mentioned (four including you) are worried that somebody, somewhere, may stop you neanderthals from beating your children beyond recognition because they don't live up to your expectations.

I hope, for the sake of children everywhere, that you're childless.

166 posted on 09/21/2002 7:56:20 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: .30Carbine
And how do you know this is the same child that was strapped into the back seat of that SUV? If you don't think the "Travelers" are capable of a simple bait and switch,you need to get out more.
167 posted on 09/21/2002 7:56:21 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: Kevin Curry
Where did I in any way defend Mrs. Toogood in my post?
168 posted on 09/21/2002 7:57:13 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: .30Carbine
Authorities said the mother had left the store angry because she was refused a cash refund for goods. The woman is then seen putting her daughter in the back seat of a sport utility vehicle, then pummeling, slapping and shaking her for nearly a half-minute.

Toogood's attorney, Houston lawyer Steven Rosen, said Friday that his client regrets the incident.

``It was a bad choice, and it was captured on Candid Camera,'' Rosen said Friday. ``She's very remorseful. She regrets it.''

No bruises, so therefore nothing happened and nothing to be remorseful about, eh? No one was seriously alleging that vigilante justice should be meted out, only that the rule of law should be adhered to and applied. On the other hand, we saw a few ideologues alleging that intervention is called for only after death results, which is ludicrous. Ms. Toogood will get her day in court if charges are filed, which it looks like will happen.

169 posted on 09/21/2002 7:57:19 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: sneakypete
Wait just a sec...gotta go get my tin foil hat...be right back!
170 posted on 09/21/2002 7:57:57 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Cultural Jihad
You are right, she will get her day in court.
171 posted on 09/21/2002 7:59:11 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: .30Carbine
Wait just a sec...gotta go get my tin foil hat...be right back!

Yeah, I know what you mean, especially after the woman's attorney explained why she hid out for several days and changed her hair color before turning herself in.

Oh - wait...he didn't explain that. Never mind.

173 posted on 09/21/2002 8:01:07 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob
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To: Cultural Jihad
No bruises, so therefore nothing happened and nothing to be remorseful about, eh?

Did I say that, or are you just implying that?

174 posted on 09/21/2002 8:01:22 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Mike4Freedom
"If the Bill of Rights were not being ignored,..."

Who than, is responsible for the rights of the child???

175 posted on 09/21/2002 8:01:48 PM PDT by fuzzthatwuz
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To: .30Carbine
Defend her? Just in the typical libertarian fashion.

You don't support liberal democrat candidates, but you ensure in your votes that they get elected. You don't approve of drug addiction and nanny governent coddling of drug abusers, but you support polices that bring about that result. You don't defend mothers who physically abuse their children, but you denounce anyone who seeks intervention or speaks out against abuse of children as being none of their business.

I've learned to ignore libertarian pious and self-righteous platitiudes and concentrate on what results their actions tend to being about.

176 posted on 09/21/2002 8:03:18 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Kevin Curry
You are so deluded. I am not a libertarian. It would appear from what I have seen of your posts today that you simply assume that everyone who holds an opinion other than your own must be a libertarian, otherwise they would be agreeing with you. HA!

You know what happens when you assume things, don't you, Kevin Curry?

177 posted on 09/21/2002 8:07:52 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: roob
Thank you for your kind words.
178 posted on 09/21/2002 8:08:55 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
...actually it [a child] is a whole unique individual endowed with inalienable rights. We as a society have an obligation to secure the rights of all its members regardless of age.

That's the only thing I've ever seen you say that is wholly consistent with libertarian principles, and the inspired idea which formed this country.

179 posted on 09/21/2002 8:09:52 PM PDT by Le-Roy
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To: Kevin Curry
Defend her?

Please point out to me where in my post I "defend her." I can't find it.

180 posted on 09/21/2002 8:12:37 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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