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Victims of 'punishment' beatings only 14 years old: IRA knows governments will ignore them.
http://www.unison.ie/stories.php3?ca=9&si=827121&issue_id=8033 ^ | September 15th 2002 | JIM CUSACK

Posted on 09/15/2002 7:30:34 AM PDT by aculeus

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1 posted on 09/15/2002 7:30:34 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus
Barbarians on both sides aculeus.

Adair ordered that his own son get knee-capped. That's the mindset.
2 posted on 09/15/2002 7:33:39 AM PDT by Happygal
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To: aculeus
I don't believe any of this. Bill Clinton says there is peace in Ireland.
3 posted on 09/15/2002 7:42:02 AM PDT by js1138
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Bill Clinton says there is peace in Ireland.

Another of the great urban myths! :-)

4 posted on 09/15/2002 7:49:04 AM PDT by Happygal
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To: aculeus
Where's Mary Robinson when you really need her?
5 posted on 09/15/2002 7:49:22 AM PDT by Ipse Dixit
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To: aculeus
Am I reading this right, they are beating their own members on each side, not their opponents?

Just internal gang warfare?

There is no call for revenge, just some government workers trying to figure it out?

Strange.
6 posted on 09/15/2002 7:52:02 AM PDT by Mark was here
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You know some of these punks deserved to get beaten. A lot of them are not activists who are pissed at the IRA many are drug dealers. This is how you deal with those who would addict your young people when a nation has no trustworthy court system. Install a court that will work to root out these problems and the beatings will stop.
7 posted on 09/15/2002 7:53:17 AM PDT by Brush_Your_Teeth
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To: Happygal
Yes, both sides. Here's a column from the same source.


We indulge Sinn Fein's two-faced approach to democracy

Sunday September 15th 2002

Punishment beatings are still acts of terrorism, says Alan Ruddock


EARLY last Friday morning, Raymond Kelly was dragged from his car by eight or nine masked men, taken across the border into south Armagh and beaten so savagely that he almost lost his life. His family, who live in the republican heartland of Crossmaglen, know that his attackers were members of the Provisional IRA. Kelly, just 20 years old and a few weeks into a new job as a civil engineer in Drogheda, underwent four operations last week as surgeons tried to save his legs and his life.


It is an horrific story, yet one so commonplace in Northern Ireland that it barely registers. Punishment beatings are a weekly, even daily, occurrence on both sides of the sectarian divide. They are the brutal evidence that the terrorists have tightened their grip on their communities and are immune to police scrutiny. The beatings are acts of terrorism that carry no sanction because they are inflicted on members of the terrorists' own community.


In the era of the peace process, they are not even called terrorists any more. Paramilitary is the politically-correct turn of phrase to describe anyone from a drug-runner to a murderer to a beater of young men. But it is terrorism, pure and simple, and it is carried out by the same organisation that lectures us daily on the failings of the new police service in Northern Ireland.


The men who tied Raymond Kelly's hands and beat him with iron bars and nail-encrusted sticks are all members of an organisation that sits in our Dail, is a member of the government of Northern Ireland and which claims moral superiority over the forces of law and order on this island. Everyone who voted for Sinn Fein in the last general election, everyone who helped elect men like Martin Ferris and Arthur Morgan to the Dail, voted for Raymond Kelly's beating and the beating of scores of young men like him.


Each vote was a personal endorsement of Sinn Fein's violence, its hypocrisy and its contempt for the institutions of democracy. No one voted in ignorance of Sinn Fein's past, or present: they sniffed the violence, and they liked the smell.


So the next time you hear Mitchell McLaughlin, or Gerry Adams or Martin McGuinness sound off piously about policing standards in Northern Ireland, remember that their organisation's idea of solid police work is a brutal beating. But remember too that many people on this island are prepared to tolerate, even celebrate, Sinn Fein's rule of law. They are not alone, of course. Loyalist terrorists are even more likely to beat their own: but Loyalist terrorists do not sit in government. We indulge Sinn Fein's two-faced approach to democracy and fool ourselves that our indulgence will wean it away from brutality. Raymond Kelly is yet another tragic symbol of our shame.



8 posted on 09/15/2002 8:08:59 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: Brush_Your_Teeth
You know some of these punks deserved to get beaten.

Read the details in #8 and think more clearly of what you are saying.

9 posted on 09/15/2002 8:10:35 AM PDT by aculeus
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Am I reading this right, they are beating their own members on each side, not their opponents?

Yes, they are doing this to members of their own communities. It's been going on for years. A teenager who steals a car will be beaten or kneecapped or given a "six pack" shot in the knees, elbows and ankles. Maimed for life for a youthful mistake.

10 posted on 09/15/2002 8:18:00 AM PDT by aculeus
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"IRA punishment violence and elections as attacks on persistent criminals or vandals are popular in some working-class areas."

Seems to be fairly effective- wonder if it would work over here (say on the 16 year old who just raped and murdered his 14-year old neighbor in Anchorage??).

11 posted on 09/15/2002 8:46:51 AM PDT by RANGERAIRBORNE
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A teenager who steals a car will be beaten or kneecapped or given a "six pack" shot in the knees, elbows and ankles. Maimed for life for a youthful mistake.

In Pontiac Mi, Philip Gibson, a child molester was taught a lesson with a hot spatula.

The court sentenced the child molester to 8 to 40 years. So Gibson can get out in 8 years. He molested two boys, so that works out to 4 years a boy.

The signal the court in Pontiac sends is clear - Molest a child get 4 years.

It is no wonder people are not trustworthy of the courts.

William Hatten was sentenced to 1 year in jail and 5 years probation. 6 years of court supervision. Hatten said he was sorry and felt he was doing the right thing when he helped teach the child molester a lesson.

William Hatten is not a terrorist.

Car thieves in Ireland are getting beat up?

Who is the terrorist? The car thief or someone who beats up a car thief or Judges who lets car thieves go, or judges who gives child molesters 4 year terms?

12 posted on 09/15/2002 8:53:46 AM PDT by Mark was here
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You don't think the IRA are balls-deep in the drugs trade?
13 posted on 09/15/2002 9:39:39 AM PDT by Flashman_at_the_charge
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That is what we need here in the US, that form of justice will bring down the crime rate and drug pilfering amongst the career criminal/s.
14 posted on 09/15/2002 10:56:43 AM PDT by smokegenerator
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youthful mistake they write? what is next? carjacking while their is a baby in the backseat and he/they abandon the baby someplace unsafe? another youthful mistake attributed to a slap in the wrist punishment? You think he would do that if he was given the same IRA treatment, or his friend saw what happened to him for committing that crime? He saw what would happen, I am sure he would reconsider his decision making and knew he would be held accountable for his actions.
15 posted on 09/15/2002 11:00:52 AM PDT by smokegenerator
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That is what we need here in the US, that form of justice will bring down the crime rate and drug pilfering amongst the career criminal.

Yeah right, let's copy the Saudi Arabians too.

16 posted on 09/15/2002 11:05:04 AM PDT by aculeus
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Evidently you agree with the current criminal justice system- let em go if they say I am sorry and out of prison within five years upon conviction of murder? I see your point.
17 posted on 09/15/2002 11:15:29 AM PDT by smokegenerator
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Yes, they are doing this to members of their own communities. It's been going on for years. A teenager who steals a car will be beaten......

Of course it ghas been going on for years. The RUC never made any pretense about enforcing municipal laws in the Nationalist community; the RUC never existed for any other purpose than to make war on the people of Ireland. Thus, the IRA had to perform this obvious reponsibility, and NO, the IRA, whatever other warts it has, has never touched, sanctioned or permitted the drug trade.

Aculeus, I uderstand your frustration here. The Orange community is slowly realizing that the IRA's scrupulous adherence to the cease fire is making it extremely unlikely that the grandchildren of today's Orange leaders will see the Union Jack fly anywhere in Ireland. This panics some of the more thick-sculled Paisleyite cowards, but most of the Orange community is wising up, and coming to accept reality.

Deal with it.

18 posted on 09/15/2002 11:40:08 AM PDT by Castlebar
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There are now a sizeable number of young men in Belfast and Derry, in both loyalist and republican areas, who will never walk again or have lost the use of arms and hands as a result of 'punishment' beatings and shootings.

Sounds to me like both GB and Ireland are harbouring terrorists. What do we do about that?.

19 posted on 09/15/2002 11:43:14 AM PDT by biffalobull
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Evidently you agree with the current criminal justice system- let em go if they say I am sorry and out of prison within five years upon conviction of murder?

Yeah, right. I don't like it when thugs maim people for life for having committed non-violent crimes therefore I think murders should be let off easy.

(I hope you don't depend on logic to earn a living.)

20 posted on 09/15/2002 12:44:34 PM PDT by aculeus
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