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Well at least you posted; this thread isn't exactly drawing a crowd.

I love FreeRepublic because some of the posters can think, it causes me to open both eyes and pay some attention.

I love FreeRepublic because some of the posters and REALLY think. Both eyes open, brain turned on and head being scratched very often.

Then there are FreeRepublic threads like yours. I have both eyes open, brain turned on, head being scratched till it hurts. I know that there is a treasure of knowledge that I desperately would like to understand, but all I can do is decide to take a nap, let people better than me figure it out and offer you a:

BUMP!

These are posted to encourage further study in the Word. I believe that many mysteries are hiding in plain sight. I keep the map/pyramid overlay on my FR homepage. :-D

Maybe You can help me with a question I have tried to get answered for a couple of years now. I ask because of the "Remnant of giants" in one of the paragraphs. I read that pagan idols and celebration days were brought into the early Catholic church. I read in a completely different book that Nimrod was born on December 25th. I think it's widely accepted that Jesus was born sometime around September. My understanding of Nimrod is that he would be to satan what Christ is to God. Not meaning son , but representitive as far as Nimrod. It may not mean anything to a lot of people , but to me it seems an insult to celebrate our Lords birth on such an evil day. Almost as much as abortion , destroying Gods' greatest gift to us.

Your problem is that you just hit the nail on the head in a very simple manner. You are 100% and accurately right! Christ wasn't born in December nor did the original church celebrate it or even His birthday. It is derived from pagan practices and all gussied up with Christ's name. Last time I checked that was against the Commandments.
Jeremiah 10 10:1 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

There are many articles on the web laying out the origins of xmas. here's an example:
Nimrod & Xmas

You, dear lady, most certainly ARE thinkin'!

Thank You.

In other reading I read that X is a symbol for satan making Xmas a double slam against Christ.

I got upset at a Pastor for explaining the Church year , he wrote out Pentacost and put Xmas for Christmas. He is also the one who said the "Only the government should carry the sword" and "Be sure to pay all of your taxes" in a Bible class.

He now teaches younger Pastor's. I will not go to another incorporated church.

I really appreciate your time , this has bothered me for awhile.

At Christmas I simply Thank God for Jesus , I know He knows what I mean.

In some earlier reading it appears to me that the closer you get to the Truth the more good and evil parallel each other. As far as symbols and things that are said.

People who worship satan call him the architect of the universe and the god of light/knowledge.

There are many symbols on the feds money that are supposed to be esoteric symbols of masons.

If I remember right , 13 tail feathers on the eagle represent satans fight against Christ and the 12 disciples. Then the wings have 32 and 33 feathers representing the degrees of masonry. There's others I don't remember anymore with the arrows and olive leaves the eagle is holding , the missing cap stone on the pyramid , the allseeing eye , and the NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM has something to do with the new world order.

My uncle was a mason and had a picture hanging in his house , he never would tell me what the symbols meant. I also have a cousin who is a mason and a Baptist minister. It's kind of funny to me , he has lots of physical problems. I figure from trying to serve two masters.

One day we will all know.

Peace

I kinda find this passage interesting

Isa 30:25
And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers [and] streams of waters IN THE DAY OF GRAT SLAUGHTER, WHEN THE TOWERS FALL

Isa 30:26   Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.

Isa 30:27   Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far, burning [with] his anger, and the burden [thereof is] heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:

Isa 30:28   And his breath, as an overflowing stream, shall reach to the midst of the neck, to sift the nations with the sieve of vanity: and [there shall be] a bridle in the jaws of the people, causing [them] to err.

Isa 30:29   Ye shall have a song, as in the night [when] a holy solemnity is kept; and gladness of heart, as when one goeth with a pipe to come into the mountain of the LORD, to the mighty One of Israel.

Isa 30:30   And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of [his] anger, and [with] the flame of a devouring fire, [with] scattering, and tempest, and hailstones.

Isa 30:31   For through the voice of the LORD shall the Assyrian be beaten down, [which] smote with a rod.

>It may not mean anything to a lot of people, but to me it seems an insult to celebrate our Lords birth on such an evil day. Almost as much as abortion, destroying Gods' greatest gift to us.

You are correct however your position is a minority view. That doesn't make you wrong, just in the minority...like Noah before the flood. Who was right then? The majority were swept away in the Flood like many today are swept away in deception. We posted a thread [Here] sometime ago about this with many links and much scripture. The sins of fornication, adultery, and idolatry are compared in the Bible. How we treat others and our family, faithfully or unfaithfully, is compared to how we treat G~d. He notices. If you sleep only with your wife and treat her well, you would be a faithful man. If you think you can sleep with another man's wife, then you are unfaithful. We cannot do anything we like, baptise it in Christian doctrine and pronounce it okay. That is lawlessness, lasciviousness and atheistic secular humanism. That applies also to the L~rd's commands about how He is to be worshipped. Sodom was destroyed without a Bible. Babylon has plenty of copies laying about.

Read Deut. 32 and Judges 2:6-23 for a picture of how the Children of Israel fell away at that time and why. Those things were for our ensamples: and they are written for our admonition. 1 Cor 10:11. A study on the phrase "strange gods" would be helpful as well, along with Ezel 8-9 about how provoked the L~rd was and what He did in response. Keep hearing the L~rd directly and following Him, not the Nicolaitans. Few there be that find it. I'll freepmail you some more links on this subject. We have argued this position in depth and don't do it any more. There is a famine in the land of hearing [shema = UNDERSTANDING] the words of the Lord. Amos 8:11. The time for campaigning for truth is over; people are now voting for whom they will serve and the L~rd will render to every man according to his works. Pr 24:12; Mt 16:27.

De 32:15 But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.
17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.

Gilead.net: The True Origin of Christmas & Other Holidays
Flee from Idolatry by R. F. Becker
Birth of Yeshua (Jesus) during Succoth (Feast of Tabernacles)

I know I have a lot to learn.

Sometimes I feel so small that I feel foolish to even think I have a part in all of this.

There's so much deception , who am I to think I haven't been deceived or haven't deceived myself. And even worse what if I deceive others in my attempt to share what I believe to be true.

It can be overwhelming at times.

I have reached a point where I believe I can see what is coming to America , and it's not good. And it's being brought here for a purpose and it doesn't matter how many innocent people die. Just as the millions before us.

I've lost a lot of respect for people in general , I believe the government is behind/involved ( in )what's going on , because like other governments they are controlled by a few elites. I don't trust incorporated churches since I have learned about incorporation , which goes back to around 600BC in Greece. Simply put "it is government control".

I'm not a good communicator and find that I can come from directions that others don't understand , even though it ends up , we are saying the same thing.

I don't know if we have time to build our Church strong enough to survive what's coming , so I don't want to argue ( and Hope that You understand ).

Please know that I want people to go away asking themselves questions , and begin looking for answers. I only share what others have done all the leg work on , I don't create information.

I do share my Faith , which I follow because I can't trust the established organizations that call themselves churches.

I know God Loves us , I don't believe He put us here to suffer at the hands of His enemies. And past that it gets a lot worse , without Him.

One of the things I've come to see , is to look at things to see if they build , or if they tear down a strong/good society. It's probably a different way of saying is it good or evil , but in todays language.

I don't want to argue with You , there's not enough time. I'm the last person I would ever expect to be saying these things. But I believe there is a level of people I can reach and probably another level that You can reach.

So let's keep building , I can use all the help I can get.

Was The Big Bopper the real Beast?

I always thought there was something fishy about that plane crash. Remember that song "Three Stars". That obviously refers to the three stars in Orion's belt, which are mirrored in the configuration of the three great pyramids and are a metaphore for the trinity, making the assasination of the Big Bopper part of an Islamic terrorist plot.

Perhaps medved can fill in the details.

Maybe You can help me with a question I have tried to get answered for a couple of years now. I ask because of the "Remnant of giants" in one of the paragraphs. I read that pagan idols and celebration days were brought into the early Catholic church. I read in a completely different book that Nimrod was born on December 25th. I think it's widely accepted that Jesus was born sometime around September. My understanding of Nimrod is that he would be to satan what Christ is to God. Not meaning son , but representitive as far as Nimrod. It may not mean anything to a lot of people , but to me it seems an insult to celebrate our Lords birth on such an evil day. Almost as much as abortion , destroying Gods' greatest gift to us. I hope You can help.

One likely date for the Birth of Jesus is not "christmas", but rather Michaelmas (September 29)... the feast of Michael and all his angels. It originally commemorated the announcement to the shepherds in the fields by the Archangel Michael and the entourage of the heavenly host who accompanied him, that the Savior has been born. One might mention, as support for this view, that this is the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles... or perhaps, prophetically, the first day of God's tabernacling amongst Men?!?

Of course, if Christ were born about September 29th, the time of what is now called "Michaelmas", it is entirely possible that He was conceived on or about the 25th of December (if Rome is right) or maybe the 7th of January (if Constantinople is right).... do the math.

Pinging "Polycarp" and "The_Reader_David" for their respective Western/Eastern thoughts on the matter...

So, it may be that the December 25th celebration of Christ's birth is not necessarily a "pagan interpolation" so much as it is a confusion between the celebration of His birth (probably September 29th) and the celebration of His conception -- a first century Anti-Abortion homily, perhaps? Hmmmmmm.....

I read in a completely different book that Nimrod was born on December 25th

Incidentally, I should point out that the major source for this teaching is the 19th century book by Alexander Hislop, The Two Babylons, which I am sorry to say is a convoluted hodge-podge of Anti-Roman-Catholic propaganda.

And if I say that it is Anti-Romanist propagandistic drivel, that should tell you something. I should like nothing better than to believe that Hislop's charges against Romish Babylon were true!! But they're not. They fail miserably under any honest Protestant's investigation.

But don't take my word for it... witness the fact that Ralph Woodrow, perhaps the most cogent and powerful expositor of this theory in the 20th century, pulled his own (quite popular!) book, Babylon Mystery Religion, from publication when he realized how horrifically flawed (not to say altogether fraudulent?) were the bulk of his own Hislop citations. "This was not done because I was being threatened in any way or persecuted. This decision was made because of conviction, not compromise." -- Ralph Woodrow

>I know I have a lot to learn. Sometimes I feel so small that I feel foolish to even think I have a part in all of this. ... I'm not a good communicator ...

You communicate very well and are easily understood. God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. We are not arguing with you at all and generally agree with what you have written here and elsewhere. The gospel is simple and is given to the humble and hid from those wise in their own eyes. You are right to shy away from such. :)

Thank You for both replies.

It appears to me the closer a person gets to the Truth , the harder the other side works to confuse the issue.

I follow my heart and work for a closer relationship with Jesus Christ.

In the things I say from the books I have read , I hope it leads people to Him.

I can't do it from scripture because I don't read the Bible , it's another one of those things I can't explain. It has to do with the levels I talked about earlier.

I believe there is a level of people I can reach , where others of You can reach higher levels.

The one book I have read that contains most of the information I talk about and has the most detail of that information is " Hope of the Wicked " by Ted Flynn.

I asked a man at a conference on unlicensing Churches if there was one book that put what's going on all together , and Hope of the Wicked was what he suggested.

I agree with him.

Peace

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Thank You.

Most people don't seem to want to discuss this kind of stuff , and it gets hard to know how you come off without feedback.

Language arts wasn't a class I paid attention in (sorry to say), I don't know what a good sentence structure is from a bad one.

I've gotten into duels with people who obviously have college educations. They can't dispute what I say even if they don't like it , but they will try and take one thing I say wrong to make all of what I say look wrong.

I look forward to learning from you guys.

1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

The L~rd didn't pick his disciples from the rich and mighty and from the chief rabbis. He picked humble men and knew their hearts as ones he could work with. The Holy Spirit and you are a majority of truth over all false doctrine and the current apostate church is a mine field of false doctrines. Stay close to the Bible and the L~rd. He know who are his and who departs from iniquity and forsakes all for Him and who doesn't. Keep keeping on.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

See this please...I think I forgot to bump you here: 73

Well, we have a feast for Christ's conception: the Feast of the Annunciation, which falls on 25 March.

Now, actually Constantinople keeps the Feast of the Nativity on 25 December, as does the Patriarhate of Moscow. The difference is a question of when 25 December falls, not whether 25 December is the Feast of the Nativity. The Orthodox who continue to use the Old Calendar for the fixed feasts (the Patriarchates of Moscow, Jerusalem and Serbia, the Church of Georgia, the Church of Sinai, Mt. Athos (despite the Patriarchate of Constantinople under whose omophorian the Holy Mountain falls) and some OCA parishes, notably in Alaska) did not advance the calendar 13 days to correct the astronomic lag.

The rest of the Orthodox Church keeps fixed feasts at the same time as the West and will until about 2600, should the Lord tarry, at which point the Orthodox New Calendar becomes more astronomically accurate than the Gregorian Calendar in a way which will show up in whole days.

I do really wonder at the horror protestants feel toward their pagan forebearers. It doesn't bother the Orthodox to know that the Holy Church in her wisdom scheduled commemorations of events whose date was uncertain to blot out pagan festivals. We even remember in some of our services that our ancestors were pagans: we praise Christ from freeing us from the delusion of idols and hymn His mother, the Theotokos, as the downfall of idols.

In other reading I read that X is a symbol for satan making Xmas a double slam against Christ.

You must have read a really bad book. X is a cross, and was used in the early church as a symbol for Christ. Also, the word Christos (Christos) in Greek begins with the letter chi (pronounced 'kye'), which also happens to look like our letter X. You often see what looks like the letter X merged with the letter P. That's a chi and a rho together, which is the first two letters of the word Christos.

Again, X is the symbol for Christ. Using it as shorthand for Christ is not blasphemy but rather is a tradition dating back almost 2000 years.

This whole thread is ripe for a tinfoil hat superstition and half-baked truths alert.

It doesn't bother the Orthodox to know that the Holy Church in her wisdom scheduled commemorations of events whose date was uncertain to blot out pagan festivals.

Thank you for that intelligent statement on an otherwise wacky thread -- it doesn't bother me either. Every day was made by God and if someone else steals it, we should take it back. It's sheer nonsense to believe that we somehow shouldn't celebrate Christmas because it may fall on what used to be a pagan holiday.

I just know that some day there will be Christians forbidding their children to draw rainbows because long ago, back in the early 21st century, it was a symbol of homosexuality. Sheesh!

Christians are perfectly free to celebrate Christmas, Easter, and any other day.