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Lawyers: Settlement near in challenge to school's Rebel flag ban
FIRST AMENDMENT FREEDOM FORUM.ORG ^ | 09.12.02 | The Associated Press

Posted on 09/13/2002 10:16:48 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

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To: JohnGalt
so you subscribe to the idea that everyone deserves justice?

do we southrons deserve justice in your world OR should we be just hanged, because of our beliefs?

the damnyankee-controlled media wants ANYTHING but justice for conservatives, particuliarly for SOUTHRONS.

free dixie,sw

41 posted on 09/16/2002 8:27:34 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: JohnGalt
i've never seen a copy. so i can't comment, though i've thought for years that the JBS was a bunch of NUTS!

for a free dixie,sw

42 posted on 09/16/2002 8:29:12 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: stand watie
Cut and paste the link I supplied...your reply is classic, though. In one case you are implying that White Aryan Resistance deserves a good lawyer in the next you are calling the John Birch Society a 'bunch of nuts.'

If you had read my posts, rather than implying an agenda, you would realize we are allegedly on the same side only arguin whether KL is the 'right messenger.' However, this last post of your reveals your agenda in support of Kirk Lyons, defender of Andre Stassmeir widely believed on this forum to have participated in the OKC bombing rather than your support of the cause of Southern heritage preservation.

Son of the Confederacy regards,

43 posted on 09/16/2002 8:35:23 AM PDT by JohnGalt
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To: JohnGalt
the difference is i have several friends who are otherwise regular, nice guys, until they start quoting doctrine of the JBS. THEN they sound like they "are rowing with one oar in the water".

there really are beds out there,without a commie under them!

AND KL is a GOOD GUY!

free dixie,sw

44 posted on 09/16/2002 9:43:58 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
thanks!

free the southland,sw

45 posted on 09/16/2002 9:46:58 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: stand watie
It's plain I need to read up on this fellow. I agree with you that we cannot always label a lawyer one way or the other by the clients he has.
46 posted on 09/16/2002 10:09:50 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy
KL was yelled at for being a "commie" & a "red" because he defended a liberal professor from LA a few years ago. funny how times change! (SCARcasm!)

free the southland,sw

47 posted on 09/16/2002 10:14:30 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: stand watie
Forget the JBS...try JD Cash and Ambrose-Evans Pritchard. http://xld.com/public/jdt/jd1-13.htm

Strassmeir is on a US immigration list as a known terrorist and was part of an even more bizarre (in light of 'recent' events) attempt to purchase Boeing 747s in the early nineties. Lyons is/was wrapped up in some highly suspect relationships between the international Neo-Nazi establishments and Islamic extremism.

Logically, it was probably a good time to drop that cause (or CAUSE, Lyons former group) and hopover to a new cause, also ostracized by the liberal media, Southern Heritage preservation. He may be a 'great guy' but he was duped into helping the 'bad guys' at best; at worst he covered for a German terrorist to come into this country and carry out an act of mass murder.

If you know this guy, I would think you personally would like an accounting of him before you go defending him.

48 posted on 09/16/2002 10:15:33 AM PDT by JohnGalt
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To: wardaddy
JD Cash, Oct 1996

Today it can be revealed that from photographs, witnesses at the club identified the man doing the bragging as Timothy McVeigh, and those seated with him as Michael Brescia, 24, and his former Elohim City roommate, Andreas Strassmeir, 37.

The witnesses from the topless club agreed to appear on that Canadian TV segment, identifying the photos.

The FBI has reviewed a copy of the video from the club and has also interviewed the same witnesses featured in the CBC program, but the Justice Department has made no official comment on what they intend to do with the evidence.

Strassmeir is a former German military officer whom residents of Elohim City say McVeigh called on April 5, 1995, when phone records indicate such a call was placed from McVeigh's motel room in Kingman, Ariz., to Elohim City. That call was made only seconds after a Ryder Truck Rental establishment in Arizona had been contacted using a prepaid phone card linked to Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols.

While Strassmeir's attorney, Kirk Lyons of Black Mountain, N.C., admits his client may have met McVeigh at a Tulsa gunshow in 1993, he says Strassmeir had no contact with McVeigh since then.

Lyons said his client came to the United States in 1989 as a tourist and "just hung around" because he liked the girls and American customs.

49 posted on 09/16/2002 10:22:25 AM PDT by JohnGalt
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To: JohnGalt
Lyons said his client came to the United States in 1989 as a tourist and "just hung around" because he liked the girls and American customs.

Any lawyer lying by relaying "facts" provided by his client has a lot of precedent wiggle room. Aside from Lyons's unusual client list, what has he personally done to incur your derision? I have confessed my ignorance and am asking for specifics.

50 posted on 09/16/2002 10:29:53 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: JohnGalt
an accounting of him?

NOPE, i'd like some TRUTH from the press and his many critics!

do YOU KNOW KL? i think NOT!

free dixie,sw

51 posted on 09/16/2002 10:43:56 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: wardaddy
I believe he played a role (perhaps unwittingly) in bringing a terrorist into the United States who caused irrepairable harm to our freedoms. I believe, once discovering that he had been used, he ditched his old world and reinvented himself has a defender of Southern Heritage, picture a Southern Sen. Robert Byrd, leaving his KKK past behind. I believe the cause of Southern Heritage is too important to be left in the hands of a charlatan who was married at the White Aryan Resistance compound in Montana (or is it Idaho?). How can such a fact not bring unwanted media that the real agenda of the neo-Confederates is a return to racial seperatism on par with Louis Farahkan's agenda?

That said, my personal agenda is that I believe Free Republic to have two goals: the first being two discuss and share ideas on preserving the tradtions of our Republic and secondly to chronicles the folks who have done bad (left and right) to prevent their past deeds from being locked away in an Orwellian memory hole-- think Big Media playing an interview with a woman claiming to be raped by the sitting President of the United States and the entire society pretending it never happened.

Mssr.Lyons was cut loose by the militia/patriot crowd whom he had briefly aligned with during the Weaver/Waco days in the early nineties, when militias were all the rage-- like Southern Heritage is a popular cause right now. The patriot crowd cut him loose because of his a) association with Strassmeir and some alleged role he played in spiriting Strassmeir out of the country, b) the fact that McVeigh called his office the day before the bomb, and c) more sinister "Lyons knows something" role that perhaps, Lyons knew that Strassmeir was working as a government plant/agent provacateur brought in to monitor racist camps.

52 posted on 09/16/2002 10:46:39 AM PDT by JohnGalt
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To: stand watie
But his critics are the left media and the Far Right Patriots, and perhaps even his former friends from the International neo-Nazi groups who think he might have known Strassmeir had CIA connections.
53 posted on 09/16/2002 10:48:46 AM PDT by JohnGalt
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To: JohnGalt
Married at the Aryan compound in Idaho (I think) is the most questionable (his actions) of your evidence in my view.

I'm sure that is easily documented.
54 posted on 09/16/2002 11:12:03 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy
In bold below, Louis Beam was a KKK/Aryan Nations 'ambassador' and also noted David Holloway,

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b275f5c16b8.htm

who took a call from Tim McVeigh the day before the bombing.

Married to the Movement Around the same time, Lyons was identified as a member of the National Alliance, the neo-Nazi group headed by William Pierce, who wrote the race war novel used by Timothy McVeigh as a blueprint for the Oklahoma City bombing. In a late 1989 issue of the members-only National Alliance Bulletin, Pierce wrote that "Houston member Kirk Lyons, an attorney … has organized the Patriot’s Defense Foundation as a start toward doing for our people what the Jews have done for enemies… ." Pierce then suggested that members send PDF donations.

Romance, too, was in the air.

In September 1990, a kilt-clad Lyons, only recently divorced, married the daughter of Charles Tate, at that time the second-in-command at Aryan Nations. The service was held in the Aryan Nations church, and, as Lyons requested, it was a Scottish affair complete with bagpipes and an exchange of the tartans of the Lyons and Tate clans. His new wife, Brenna Tate, had grown up on the Aryan Nations compound with her parents. Brenna’s brother, David Tate, was an imprisoned member of The Order who was serving a life sentence in Missouri for the murder of a state trooper. Presiding over Lyons’ wedding ceremony was none other than hatemeister Richard Butler.

And Lyons’ best man? An old friend, Louis Beam.

In an unusual twist, the new couple were not alone. Married alongside them in a double ceremony were Neill Payne — who, along with Dave Holloway, was on the PDF board of directors with Lyons — and Brenna Tate’s sister. Henceforth, Payne and Lyons would not be mere colleagues. They were family.

55 posted on 09/16/2002 11:33:06 AM PDT by JohnGalt
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To: JohnGalt
Ugh....while I'm not terribly uncomfortable with the hard right and would be considered as such myself by liberals, I'm not too comfortable with this bunch. I have known a few CI folks myself and while I did share a few common political views, their anti-Zionist battle for the ages mythology was way out in left (right?) field to me. They of course despised me claiming I "should know better" and promised to reserve a lamp post in my honour from which I should hang once the Turner Diaries scenario plays out...LOL
56 posted on 09/16/2002 11:41:25 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy
http://xld.com/public/jdt/jdt6-4.htm

More on Lyons, CAUSE, and the Strassmeir fall-out that caused him to seek a new cause. And if I might caution your labeling, the Far Right is broken down into two groups the Patriot/militia group and the Far Right Neo-Nazi groups that were loosely tied through William Pierce et al that are distincly pagan in nature. The Hard Right, as you noted, are simply the conservatives, liberals and libertarians who believe the United States government is simply too corrupt to be saved. Thomas Fleming, from Chronicles Magazine coined the phrase and the late Murray Rothbard popularized it. Lastly, a Conservative Republican is simply someone running for relection or looking to raise funds on a national basis.
57 posted on 09/16/2002 11:53:30 AM PDT by JohnGalt
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To: JohnGalt
I'm aware of the fractious nature of the right wing in American politics today. I would not really call Neo-Nazis right wing per se. Unlike the conventional models of a circular diagram whereby totalitarianism and authoritarianism meet , I prefer to view both at the opposite end beyond the left but on their side...LOL

I'm a theocentric humanist classically with a pragmatic streak. I vote Pubbie by default.
58 posted on 09/16/2002 12:10:10 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy
Rothbardian libertarian, radical localist, with radical individualist and paleo conservative sympahties, regards. I too vote Pubbie by default as voting is a family tradition not because I think it helps.
59 posted on 09/16/2002 12:20:44 PM PDT by JohnGalt
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To: JohnGalt
My poli sci mentor in college ground both Socrates and Hobbes into my grey matter.

I vote Pubbie because I prefer them 99% of the time to the alternative.

I'm a NeoCon (I know it's a bad word) on foreign policy because I believe in power projection even without all the frilly altruistic excuses (Machiavelli). I'm most definitely Paleo on social issues. Plus, I support Israel even though I'm a non-pious Goy.

Rothbard...while I'm familiar with the name....i must do some research.

My Holy Trinity is RKBA, Militantly Anti-Abortion, and the Culture War. I suppose we could add a fourth: Crushing our Islamist enemies with extreme prejudice.
60 posted on 09/16/2002 12:33:01 PM PDT by wardaddy
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