Scary Thought

RazorMouth.com - Cutting-edge Christianity ^ | 9/04/02 | Joel Miller

[Tall_Texan]

So because it's not new, it's ok?

It's not new so it's nothing I care to get worked up about since the country was not ruined when some of these same rights were violated during the Civil War, WWI and WWII. Simply put, if we don't win the war, our conquerers will give our civil rights even less regard than those now in power.

3,000 folks died last year because an organized premeditated attack was carried out on our shores. If suspending a few civil liberties or detaining a few suspects without access to an attorney makes a repeat performance less likely, I'm all for it in the short term until the threat has been identified and eliminated.

Now, before you call me a statist and start quoting Ben Franklin at me (I'm getting used to these kneejerk rebuttals by now), what I advocate are temporary messures to increase security until the hostile threat has been vanquished. After each previous war, the restrictions were lifted, life returned to normal and the Constitution proceeded healthy and vibrant. If you can't acknowledge that, there's no point in carrying on a discussion.

Folks are fighting and dying overseas to defend our country and if it means you or I get hassled a little more while the war is being fought, frankly that's a miniscule price to pay compared to what others are sacrificing. A real patriot would understand that implicitly.

[Mr. Mojo]

Pollsters "found that 48 percent of respondents agreed the government should have the freedom to monitor religious groups in the interest of national security

And I'm one of the 48%. We're dealing with Islamists who use mosques as fronts for their terrorist operations. Don't like it? Leave the country. You won't be missed.

[Mr. Mojo]

so-called "war" which is really a figment of Ashcroft, Cheney and Rumsfeld's imagination and planning, and doncha know it, in league with the Mossad and Big Oil!!!

Ok...relax....no one's going to hurt you......everything's going to be alright.....back to the rubber room you go.

[anniegetyourgun]

Response 10 is really scary. And the left thinks there are only nutburgers on the right!

[jammer]

This is a suspension of Habeas Corpus situation, isn't it.

No, it is not. We don't even have a declaration of war, so how could it be? And don't talk about responding to an emergency--it's been over a year.

[jammer]

Okay, grab a few mullahs and imams. But remember your words with the next administration (or this one, even) when your or my Christian priest or preacher disappears.

[raygun]

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/sept11_uranium020911.html

[technochick99]

Bump so I can catch this thread later. I think you and #3 make a lot of sense. I can understand your points, but think it is not bad to watch these things as they unfold. I think technology changes the situation a bit. But I've got to run out the door now so can't reply with a more comprehensive msg.

[Alouette]

This is a suspension of Habeas Corpus situation, isn't it.

No, it is not. We don't even have a declaration of war, so how could it be?

Abraham Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus. Come to think of it, there was no declaration of war then either. A declaration of war would have involved a de facto recognition of the Confederacy as a foreign power.

[#3Fan]

No, it is not. We don't even have a declaration of war, so how could it be? And don't talk about responding to an emergency--it's been over a year.

Show me where in the Constitution that Suspension of Habeas Corpus can take place only when a declaration of war has been made. Also show me where there is a statute of limitations in effect on the Suspension of Habeas Corpus.

Suspension of Habeas Corpus can occur when there has been an invasion and the public safety demands it. The hijackers entered this country on false terms and conducted warlike actions from the interior of this country. I call that an invasion. The public safety demands that those suspected of hijacking airplanes be restrained.

[#3Fan]

I think he was being sarcastic.

[#3Fan]

I think response 10 was sarcasm.

[anniegetyourgun]

I hope you're right....it's just that it sounds like so many of the DU types that have been visiting FR of late.

[Non-Sequitur]

Article I, Section 9, Clause 1 states the following:

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

A declaration of war was unnecessary. And since you declare war on other countries, not rebellious sections of your own, a declaration of war was not even appropriate.

[#3Fan]

I hope you're right....it's just that it sounds like so many of the DU types that have been visiting FR of late.

Yes, the RATS certainly have been scurrying about lately, haven't they. They get especially verminous this time of year. :^)

[anniegetyourgun]

I think it's all the war discussions. The Left gets particularly vicious when it comes time for the federal government to do the one thing it is constitutionally established to do.

[Monty22]

will pitt? Wow, it's so wonderful you're here!

You and scott ritter can be bought off, be insane, be idiots, whatever..

Trust me, most people think of you types as 'useful idiots'. A more perfect example of that term would be hard to find, than of will pitt and ritter.

[Alouette]

I think we could learn a lot by studying the actions of Abraham Lincoln during the "War of the Rebellion." By applying the standards of today's liberals, he could be described as a "war criminal."

[Non-Sequitur]

By applying the standards of today's liberals Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee would be war criminals, too. You sure you want to go there?

[YankeeReb]

The notion that enemy combatants can be held in this way is also now known as "Prisoner of War" or POW status. No doubt this dangerously novel concept was invented by John Ashcroft for purely arbitrary reasons in this so-called "war" which is really a figment of Ashcroft, Cheney and Rumsfeld's imagination and planning, and doncha know it, in league with the Mossad and Big Oil!!!

Oh I get it now... FDR was in league with the Mossad and Big Oil. Of course it makes perfect sense now < /sarcasm>