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The War Party's imperial plans
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| 9/11/2002
| Pat Buchanan
Posted on 09/11/2002 3:32:38 PM PDT by traditionalist
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Perhaps you live in denial.. Buchanan wrote and said, whatever it is that he wrote or said.... He IS a HITLER admirer, by his own words... and the non sequitir that he may be in fact, agreeing with someone who said the same or similar thing, earlier in history, gives him no fig leaf to cover the fact that he admires Hitler's "genius". Oh boy. You really need a lesson on how propagandists misrepresent statements through selective quotation. Here's the selection from Pat's 1977 column, IN CONTEXT:
Though Hitler was indeed racist and anti-Semitic to the core, a man who without compunction could commit murder and genocide, he was also an individual of great courage, a soldier's soldier in the Great War, a political organizer of the first rank, a leader steeped in the history of Europe, who possessed oratorical powers that could awe even those who despised him. But Hitler’s success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path."
This is a direct quote from Historian John Toland's award-winning biography, Adolf Hitler. To claim that someone is a Hitler admirer for honestly evaluating Hitler's skills and intellect is idiotic.
Later in the same column Buchanan writes:
"Men like Chamberlain and Daladier needed a moral justification for their acts of weakness and betrayal… Almost alone among European statesmen, Churchill saw that – under the guise of restoring Germany to her rightful place among nations – Hitler was marching along the road toward a New Order where Western civilization would not survive. The vision lacking in the statesmen of ’37 appears lacking as well in the men of ’77."
Any idiot who can read can see that this column was no tribute to Hitler and expressed no admiration toward the evil genuis.
His outright and public denials of the holocaust's most gruesome extremes
Where has Buchanan denied the Holocaust?
Pat's insistence that we honor the nazi , jew-killer members of the SS
A lie. Pat never insisted on anything of the sort. All he did was support Reagan's decision to visit the Bitburg cemetary, and at no time during this visit did the Gipper honor any "Nazi, jew-killer members of the SS." I can't believe that someone on a conservative site would buy leftist propaganda about such a great conservative standard bearer as Reagan so uncritically.
If Pat is an anti-semite for supporting the Bitburg visit, than so is the greatest American president of the 20th century.
BTW, here is a good, even-handed account of what happened at Bitburg. Notice that Buchanan is nowhere mentioned.
To: traditionalist
"You really need a lesson..."
from the likes of you???
Right.
To: traditionalist
(hitler) "he was also an individual of great courage, a soldier's soldier"
end of debate...
To: Robert_Paulson2
"You really need a lesson..." from the likes of you??? Confronted with overwhelming evidence against your position to which you cannot respond, you resort to insults. How predictable.
To: traditionalist
To claim that someone is a Hitler admirer for honestly evaluating Hitler's skills and intellect is idiotic.
For many it is not idiotic; it is a calculated lie and smear. They know very well that most of the sheeple will never read and honestly evaluate what Buchanan actually wrote; hence their recklessness in throwing the Hitler/Nazi smear about.
In this regard most "conservatives" today are no different from liberals - to them, everyone who doesn't toe the line is a "Nazi", a "terrorist", or something somehow "unclean". Getting them to make distinctions other than "us" and "them" is mostly hopeless.
"Conservatives" have swallowed whole the myths which undergird the ruling elites; consequently they are incapable of true oppostion to these elites and their policies, even when they grasp what these are, which is seldom the case. In reality they are easily manipulated and easily herded sheeple.
To: traditionalist
(hitler) "was indeed racist and anti-Semitic to the core, a man who without compunction could commit murder and genocide, he was also an individual of great courage,"
Takes a lot of courage to murder unarmed jewish women and children? Wow! Arafat would agree and be happy to provide pat with more current quotes from his luminaries in alqueda and hezbollah....
You think that was an honest assessment of hitler? ONLY to a person who admires murderors as being "courageous".
sick.
To: traditionalist
"hitler" was "courageous?"
I guess arafat is a "courageous" man too...
And the men who "courageously" slammed the planes full of unarmed civilians into the twin towers were virtual God's to those who call such treachery " courage"...
puke.
To: Robert_Paulson2
(hitler) "he was also an individual of great courage, a soldier's soldier" end of debate...
Hitler was a highly decorated soldier from WW1, and had numerous citations for courage. But I suppose in your world, stating the truth makes one an anti-semite. Or perhaps aknowledging and evil man's streagths is verbotten.
I love it how you ignore the rest of Buchanan's column where he lays into the politicians who appeased Hitler, or where he called him a mass-murderer. I was wrong. You need no lessons in how liberals twist people's words. You have mastered the skill very well yourself.
To: Robert_Paulson2
You are absolutely pustular with contempt for members of this forum, aren't you? Do you think none of us are educated? That we are all really the dummies that Leftists and globalists like to fashion us?
Do you think that none of us have ever read several of the thousands of biographies of Adolph Hitler?
Biographies of Hitler are unanimous in their acknowledgement that a message-runner in the trenches of the First World War would have shown great personal physical courage.
Hitler's war service--and the personal courage he undoubtedly showed--gave him great cache in the elections among veterans and especially among the all-important Fussballmutti vote.
I wonder if you quite comprehend how counterproductive your mau-mauing rituals on these Empire vs Republic threads really are?
To: Robert_Paulson2
Takes a lot of courage to murder unarmed jewish women and children? Wow! Arafat would agree and be happy to provide pat with more current quotes from his luminaries in alqueda and hezbollah.... I suggest you read about Hitler's life and rise to power. You obviously know nothing about this evil genius. No, murdering unarmed women and childern is not couragous. What Toland was referring to was his service during WW1, and the cunning manner in which Hitler came to power, including his early attempts to subvert the Wiemar Republic. But why am I wasteing my time? You seem to enjoy your state of ignorance.
To: traditionalist
I did not support the german cause in ww 1 either.
hitler's service in that war was a service of evil too.
hitler was a coward then and always.
hitler was evil in every aspect.
glad to see the nazi crowd here still spends lotsa time reading and repeating their accolades of praise for the little general's "virtues" and "courage."
true colors.
To: traditionalist
No, murdering unarmed women and childern is not couragous.
Thanks for saying so...
Pat should not be quoting "authorities" who say so either.
Folks might think he is an antisemite.... folks like me.
To: Robert_Paulson2
Pat should not be quoting "authorities" who say so either. Do you lack basic reading comprehension skills? No one every said Hilter's genocide was courageous. It was his service as as SOLDIER IN WW1.
To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
"Hitler's war service--and the personal courage he undoubtedly showed--gave him great cache in the elections among veterans and especially among the all-important Fussballmutti vote. "
You think hitler was displaying his courageous heart???
I say Hitler was an immoral, jew-murdering, coward with NO redeeming virtues. Period.
To: Robert_Paulson2
I did not support the german cause in ww 1 either.
hitler's service in that war was a service of evil too.
hitler was a coward then and always.
hitler was evil in every aspect.
Where do you get this ridiculous idea that someone evil cannot be courageous? No one is endorsing the German cause in WW1. Everyone agrees that Hitler was evil in every aspect. Why is that inconsistent with him displaying great courage? Aknowledging the facts does not make one a Hitler admirer.
But if you want to delude yourself into thinking that evil men can't be courageous, I can't stop you. One day you're going to be in for one heck of a shock.
glad to see the nazi crowd here still spends lotsa time reading and repeating their accolades of praise for the little general's "virtues" and "courage."
Grow up. Learn the difference between aknowledging you enemy's strengths and praise.
To: Robert_Paulson2
I say Hitler was an immoral, jew-murdering, coward with NO redeeming virtues. Period. Thus saith Robert Paulson, eminent WW2 historian.
To: traditionalist
the hitler who fought in ww1 was the same guy who killed the jews right?
OR do you you subscribe to the "two hitler" theory???
A man is, what he does. And murdering cowards, by definition, are not courageous... not ever, not by any definition.
To: traditionalist
courage is never evil....
and evil is never courageous....
light has NO fellowship with darkness.
To: Robert_Paulson2
A man is, what he does. And murdering cowards, by definition, are not courageous... not ever, not by any definition. Okay. Go on living in your fantasy world.
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