Posted on 09/11/2002 3:32:38 PM PDT by traditionalist
Oh boy. You really need a lesson on how propagandists misrepresent statements through selective quotation. Here's the selection from Pat's 1977 column, IN CONTEXT:
Though Hitler was indeed racist and anti-Semitic to the core, a man who without compunction could commit murder and genocide, he was also an individual of great courage, a soldier's soldier in the Great War, a political organizer of the first rank, a leader steeped in the history of Europe, who possessed oratorical powers that could awe even those who despised him. But Hitlers success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path."
This is a direct quote from Historian John Toland's award-winning biography, Adolf Hitler. To claim that someone is a Hitler admirer for honestly evaluating Hitler's skills and intellect is idiotic.
Later in the same column Buchanan writes:
"Men like Chamberlain and Daladier needed a moral justification for their acts of weakness and betrayal Almost alone among European statesmen, Churchill saw that under the guise of restoring Germany to her rightful place among nations Hitler was marching along the road toward a New Order where Western civilization would not survive. The vision lacking in the statesmen of 37 appears lacking as well in the men of 77."
Any idiot who can read can see that this column was no tribute to Hitler and expressed no admiration toward the evil genuis.
His outright and public denials of the holocaust's most gruesome extremes
Where has Buchanan denied the Holocaust?
Pat's insistence that we honor the nazi , jew-killer members of the SS
A lie. Pat never insisted on anything of the sort. All he did was support Reagan's decision to visit the Bitburg cemetary, and at no time during this visit did the Gipper honor any "Nazi, jew-killer members of the SS." I can't believe that someone on a conservative site would buy leftist propaganda about such a great conservative standard bearer as Reagan so uncritically.
If Pat is an anti-semite for supporting the Bitburg visit, than so is the greatest American president of the 20th century.
BTW, here is a good, even-handed account of what happened at Bitburg. Notice that Buchanan is nowhere mentioned.
Confronted with overwhelming evidence against your position to which you cannot respond, you resort to insults. How predictable.
To claim that someone is a Hitler admirer for honestly evaluating Hitler's skills and intellect is idiotic.
For many it is not idiotic; it is a calculated lie and smear. They know very well that most of the sheeple will never read and honestly evaluate what Buchanan actually wrote; hence their recklessness in throwing the Hitler/Nazi smear about.
In this regard most "conservatives" today are no different from liberals - to them, everyone who doesn't toe the line is a "Nazi", a "terrorist", or something somehow "unclean". Getting them to make distinctions other than "us" and "them" is mostly hopeless.
"Conservatives" have swallowed whole the myths which undergird the ruling elites; consequently they are incapable of true oppostion to these elites and their policies, even when they grasp what these are, which is seldom the case. In reality they are easily manipulated and easily herded sheeple.
end of debate...
Hitler was a highly decorated soldier from WW1, and had numerous citations for courage. But I suppose in your world, stating the truth makes one an anti-semite. Or perhaps aknowledging and evil man's streagths is verbotten.
I love it how you ignore the rest of Buchanan's column where he lays into the politicians who appeased Hitler, or where he called him a mass-murderer. I was wrong. You need no lessons in how liberals twist people's words. You have mastered the skill very well yourself.
Do you think that none of us have ever read several of the thousands of biographies of Adolph Hitler?
Biographies of Hitler are unanimous in their acknowledgement that a message-runner in the trenches of the First World War would have shown great personal physical courage.
Hitler's war service--and the personal courage he undoubtedly showed--gave him great cache in the elections among veterans and especially among the all-important Fussballmutti vote.
I wonder if you quite comprehend how counterproductive your mau-mauing rituals on these Empire vs Republic threads really are?
I suggest you read about Hitler's life and rise to power. You obviously know nothing about this evil genius. No, murdering unarmed women and childern is not couragous. What Toland was referring to was his service during WW1, and the cunning manner in which Hitler came to power, including his early attempts to subvert the Wiemar Republic. But why am I wasteing my time? You seem to enjoy your state of ignorance.
Do you lack basic reading comprehension skills? No one every said Hilter's genocide was courageous. It was his service as as SOLDIER IN WW1.
Where do you get this ridiculous idea that someone evil cannot be courageous? No one is endorsing the German cause in WW1. Everyone agrees that Hitler was evil in every aspect. Why is that inconsistent with him displaying great courage? Aknowledging the facts does not make one a Hitler admirer.
But if you want to delude yourself into thinking that evil men can't be courageous, I can't stop you. One day you're going to be in for one heck of a shock.
glad to see the nazi crowd here still spends lotsa time reading and repeating their accolades of praise for the little general's "virtues" and "courage."
Grow up. Learn the difference between aknowledging you enemy's strengths and praise.
Thus saith Robert Paulson, eminent WW2 historian.
Okay. Go on living in your fantasy world.
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