Freedom devalued Poll shows that many Americans no longer cherish their rights

Spartanburg Herald-Journal ^ | Sept. 4 ,2002

[Sonny M]

I know what the people who did survey are claiming the data says, but what I would really like to know was how this survery was done, where it was done and was SPECIFIC questions were asked. I have a feeling, that these "findings" are probably misleading. I'm sure many freepers here are farmiliar with data manipulation and loaded questions, and interpretation analysis. In other words, you let me do a survey in any way I want and I can make it say things accordingly.

[Cultural Jihad]

Founder of the Freedom Forum,
unabashed McGovernite Al Neuharth

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On November 21, 1992, Al Neuharth wrote in his USA Today column:

This week, after the flap over a federal judge reinstating a homosexual sailor, we asked two prime sources how many homosexuals presently serve in the military. Answer: Defense Department spokesmen, officially zero. The Homosexual and Lesbian Task Force says an estimated 10 percent, about 180,000.

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Neuharth Calls Patriotism Filth

Neuharth then makes the unprecedented claim that Nationalism on the Internet is worse than pornography. "Concerned about your children's easy access to pornography on the home computer? Wait until you check out ... white supremacists," says reporter John Hanchette.

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USA Today founder Al Neuharth in his June 20 column:

What if Watergate had elected McGovern?.... The Cold War would have ended in the '70s rather than in the '90s. McGovern, in his campaign, debunked the threat and invincibility of the so-called evil Soviet empire. Republican and Democratic Presidents preached that myth for four decades, until the USSR self-destructed.... George McGovern. A man before his time. Prescient. Decisive, but decent. The USA and the world would have been far better off if we'd been heedful of his early Watergate warnings and had put McGovern in the White House in 1972.

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"When you run a picture of a nice clean-cut all-American girl like this, get her tits above the fold."

-- Al Neuharth, founder of USA Today, at a page-one meeting

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[mrsmith]

"half of Americans think that the First Amendment goes too far in guaranteeing the rights it protects. ...That number has more than doubled in the past two years. "
Some Americans Favor Restricting Free Speech posted 07/05/97

"a Chicago Tribune poll ...27 percent said the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution went too far in the rights it guarantees, 55 percent said the guarantees were about right, eight percent said the amendment did not go far enough and 11 percent said they did not know. "

I bet that about "55 percent said the guarantees were about right" in the Pew poll too.

[Cultural Jihad]

Here is what the FreedomForum is up to besides McGovernism, pornography, and proselytising moral-liberalism: "Diversity!"

[VA Advogado]

I trolled for suckers, -- and you bit.

And I got the daily guppy.

[tpaine]

Images of people copulating are not protected speech, as the Founders would have agreed.
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From what I have read about old Ben Franklin, his 'image' collection may have shocked even a snickering closet connoisseur such as yourself, CJ.

[tpaine]

Yep, and like a pimp-ly freshman, you swallowed that guppy sucker fish, - hook, line, sinker.

Thanks VA, you my favorite FR clown.

[Cultural Jihad]

You're still shilling for McGovernites who call patriotism 'filth' we see. Must be one of those 'principle' thangs.

[tpaine]

Cultural Jihad salivated:

Images of people copulating are not protected speech, as the Founders would have agreed.
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From what I have read about old Ben Franklin, his 'image' collection may have shocked even a snickering closet connoisseur such as yourself, CJ.

26 posted on 9/4/02 7:04 PM Pacific by tpaine
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To: tpaine
You're still shilling for McGovernites who call patriotism 'filth' we see. Must be one of those 'principle' thangs. - CJ
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Whaaaaat? -- McGovern? Who he?

Nice try at distraction, CJ, but everyone here can see your obsession with porno.
You post about it constantly - whatever the subject of the thread, you bring up porno at some point.
-- Sick.

[VA Advogado]

you've really lost it.

[Kevin Curry]

They just don't understand the constitution.

Don't bother pinging me. I don't need to hear your confession.

[tpaine]

Don't bother pinging me. I don't need to hear your confession.
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Your reply is a form of confession, my son. Thanks, kevin.

[tpaine]

Whatever, clown.

[Kevin Curry]

Your reply is a form of confession, my son.

LOL. What is this? The libertarian version of "I know you are but what am I"?

[Kevin Curry]

Your posts may be flaccid and puerile, but I must applaud you on this one thing: you have toughed it out here. You are quite unlike that girly-man OWK who talks tough but pouts and slinks away if everyone doesn't agree with him. I admire your persistence, tpaine.

[NMC EXP]

Some people wail over the supposed erosion of rights, but really the only thing being eroded today are the interpretations which some have as to what the Bill of Rights says.

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Well CJ, just to prove that statists and authoritarians come in two varieties, R and D, here is a guy who agrees with you:

“When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving [sic] a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly... that they would work for the common good, as well as for the individual welfare... However, now there's a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there's too much freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it.“

-- Bill Clinton, April 19, 1995, (after the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, two years after the massacre of the Branch Davidians at Waco).

Regards

J.R.

[Cultural Jihad]

Bill Clinton: "Almost a Libertarian?"

Q. Mr. President, a week ago a group of gay and lesbian representatives came out of a meeting with you and expressed in the most ringing terms, their confidence in your understanding of them and their political aspirations, and their belief that you would fulfill those aspirations. Do you feel now that you will be able to meet their now enhanced expectations?

THE PRESIDENT: ... I believe that this country's policies should be heavily biased in favor of nondiscrimination. I believe when you tell people they can't do certain things in this country that other people can do, there ought to be an overwhelming and compelling reason for it. ...

... When I was Governor, I was attacked from the other direction for sticking up for the rights of religious fundamentalists to run their child care centers and to practice home schooling under appropriate safeguards. I just have always had an almost libertarian view that we should try to protect the rights of American individual citizens to live up to the fullest of their capacities, and I'm going to stick right with that.

[Kevin Curry]

Correction. Bill "The Sinkster" Clinton was our first libertarian President. From sucking cocaine up his nose as if it were an industrial-size Electrolux, to sodomizing an intern in the Oval Office, to strewing porn all over Air Force One and Camp David, he pretty much had libertarian family values nailed down cold.

[NMC EXP]

. I just have always had an almost libertarian view that we should try to protect the rights of American individual citizens to live up to the fullest of their capacities, and I'm going to stick right with that.

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Since you and bill agree on the issue of individual rights I suppose that might make you tend to believe anything about libertarianism that comes out of his filthy sewer.

Regards

J.R.

[Cultural Jihad]

Correction. Bill "The Sinkster" Clinton was our first libertarian President. From sucking cocaine up his nose as if it were an industrial-size Electrolux, to sodomizing an intern in the Oval Office, to strewing porn all over Air Force One and Camp David, he pretty much had libertarian family values nailed down cold.

Libertarian, Greens, DNC, or Trotskyite Spartacist League member; he adhered to the same moral-liberalism they all embrace.