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Serb's downplays number of victims in Srebrenica massacre, draws outrage of international community
AP ^ | Tue Sep 3,11:50 AM ET | IRENA GAJIC

Posted on 09/03/2002 10:15:20 AM PDT by Destro

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The problems my dear Humanitarian Third Way Leftist Warriors, is that the physical evidence that exists as of present supports the Bosnian Serb position on Srebrenica.

You can feign outrage all you want till you turn as blue as your helmets.

1 posted on 09/03/2002 10:15:20 AM PDT by Destro
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To: *balkans
bump
2 posted on 09/03/2002 10:15:45 AM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro
Of late, or at least since early last September, I've found myself coming around to the Serbian way of thinking about Muslims...
3 posted on 09/03/2002 10:57:06 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: Hoplite; Torie; ABrit; *UN_List
Thanks for the bmp. Interesting, that the Serb stats jive pretty much with the official UN stats.......little over 2,000 bodies found, the vast majority appear to have been combatants KIA in a fair fight.......those bodies who appear to be civilians were found in grave adjacant to Serbian villages.

mbut of course we'll never know exactly what happened until the UN releases the full forensic reports. One really needs to question why the forensic reports are still kept under wraps.

Finally the major difficulty with making any hard conclusions is that less than 100 of the bodies have been identified. This is in stark contrast to other mass graves in the region in which 75-80% of the bodies are quickly id'd.

One simply has to question the orginal line we were fed about the event.

4 posted on 09/03/2002 11:30:25 AM PDT by vooch
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>>>>"callous and irresponsible" attempt to rewrite Europe's worst massacre since World War II. <<<<

Was is the worst massacre since WWII in Europe? Czech slaughter of 266,000 Sudetten sounds more like it. Was Srebrenica demilitarized zone? If it was, what 9000 armed Bosnian Muslim troops were doing in Srebrenica?

It is often said "8000 Bosnian men and boys". How many were the "boys" i.e. males under military age? If "8000 " are 'massacred" why ICTY indictment cite number "1200"?

There is too many officials in Western capitals whose careers would go down the drain to let the truth come out.

5 posted on 09/03/2002 11:52:22 AM PDT by DTA
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Humanitarian warriors lies are in full swing. There are plans to establish sister-town relationship between NYC and Srebrenica. Smearing memory oif the dead amounts to killing 911 victims for the second time.

Tha't not all. In a fortcoming movie 9-11 One frame, Bosnian Muslim Director equates NYC and Srebrenica and Serbs and Bin Laden. O tempora o mores.

In communist Yugoslavia, Bosnian Muslims got away with WWII murder. They believe that they repeat it with the events about 1990's.

There is a Balkan saying "nobody's candle will burn forever"

6 posted on 09/03/2002 11:59:11 AM PDT by DTA
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To: DTA
"Drazen Erdemovic, a Bosnian Serb soldier"

Fact: Drazen Erdemovic is a Croat. He fought in all three Armies in Bosnian conflict. Today he walks free.

7 posted on 09/03/2002 12:03:06 PM PDT by DTA
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To: Destro
Challenging....world opinion...

They REALLY mean New World Order media-manipulated opinion and muslim-manufactured statistics!!!!

I have two words for the muslim/NWO fabricators who manufactured the "Srebrenica massacre": Nasir Oric!!!!

8 posted on 09/03/2002 12:03:29 PM PDT by Honorary Serb
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To: DTA
"In a fortcoming movie 9-11 One frame, Bosnian Muslim Director equates NYC and Srebrenica and Serbs and Bin Laden."

A quote by that director, from your link, mentions that 9,000 soldiers were killed. Does he know what he's talking about? They can't decide on the numbers and jump back and forth by a thousand or two, maybe more.

Also, I read earlier reports on the filming of the movie, and it was mentioned that some of the filming was done in Mostar - which was devastated in the Croat-Muslim war, and said by visitors to be far worse appearing than Sarajevo. Is the devastation of Mostar going to be passed off or implied as being Sarajevo's, or the damage there in Mostar wrongly presented as the Serbs' fault?

9 posted on 09/03/2002 12:14:41 PM PDT by joan
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To: DTA
>>>>>Hodzic said that his trial established that at Srebrenica, "many thousands of Bosnian men were killed, most probably 7,000 to 8,000."<<<<

Mr. Hodzic conveniently dropped what was also established:

There was a fighting between BSA and Muslim forces, as per Krstic indictment:

9. Bosnian Serb forces supported by armoured personnel carriers, tanks, anti-aircraft guns and artillery, positioned themselves along the Bratunac-Milici road in an attempt to intercept the column. Some of the armed members of the retreating column of Bosnian Muslims engaged in combat with the Bosnian Serb forces. Thousands of Bosnian Muslims from the retreating column were captured by, or surrendered to, Bosnian Serb military forces under the command and control of Ratko Mladic and RADISLAV KRSTIC.

Acording to ICTY judgement, Srebrenica was not demilitarized, it was a springboard for attack on Serbs

"The Trial Chamber heard credible and largely uncontested evidence of a consistent refusal by the Bosnian Muslims to abide by the agreement to demilitarise the “safe area”.37 Bosnian Muslim helicopters flew in violation of the no-fly zone;38 the ABiH opened fire toward Bosnian Serb lines and moved through the “safe area”;39 the 28th Division was continuously arming itself40 ; and at least some humanitarian aid coming into the enclave was appropriated by the ABiH.41 To the Bosnian Serbs it appeared that Bosnian Muslim forces in Srebrenica were using the “safe area” as a convenient base from which to launch offensives against the VRS and that UNPROFOR was failing to take any action to prevent it.42 General Halilovic admitted that Bosnian Muslim helicopters had flown in violation of the no-fly zone and that he had personally dispatched eight helicopters with ammunition for the 28th Division. In moral terms, he did not see it as a violation of the “safe area” agreement given that the Bosnian Muslims were so poorly armed to begin with.

So, why anyone should believe Moslem side? Only because they say so?

"Srebrenica genocide" is the biggest Hoax since Piltdown Man aimed to dilute the meaning of the term genocide.

10 posted on 09/03/2002 12:19:49 PM PDT by DTA
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>>>>>>"A quote by that director, from your link, mentions that 9,000 soldiers were killed<<<<<<

Joan, the point is that Tanovic admits that those killed were SOLDIERS, not "men and boys" i.e. civilians

11 posted on 09/03/2002 12:22:50 PM PDT by DTA
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To: vooch
jive???---

this hambone will slide a fiddy your way, word...

regardless what "proof" the Serbs present, we will never be recognized as a "good guy"...

12 posted on 09/03/2002 12:31:30 PM PDT by smokegenerator
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To: DTA
One need only read this sientence from the introduction to Gen. Krstic judgement for "genocide"

"As thousands of them attempted to flee the area, they were taken prisoner, detained in brutal conditions and then executed. More than 7,000 people were never seen again.">

They were seen again, they fought against Serbs in other Bosnian Army units and they even voted on OSCE monitored elections in post-war Bosnia.

For posterity ICTY tribunal will have the same meaning as Hitler's Volksrat and Stalin's Moscow and Prague processes have for us today. Totalitarian showtrials. With a difference. ICTY is accepted out of free will, not out of fear like Stalin's and Hitler's "courts"

13 posted on 09/03/2002 12:36:22 PM PDT by DTA
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The Bosnian Serb authorities are brave for refusing to go along with the Izetbegovic propaganda, which is so fanatically defended by certain western politicians, NGOs and media.

As vooch notes (#4), the bodies found are about 2000 instead of "more than 5000" that the article claims. As of March 2001 (and the numbers cannot be much higher now), David Rohde (Mr. Srebrenica massacre himself) writes in a NY Times article:

"There are 1,895 full bodies in the bags. Beyond that, the exact number of victims is unknown: 1,799 bags hold the body parts of a single person; 694 hold the body parts of two or more people. Thirty-two bags have not been autopsied. Only 81 of the victims have been identified. Most of the corpses are so badly decomposed or maimed as to be unrecognizable."

vooch, are there official numbers and names of Serbs still missing from the area who may be among the recovered bodies and currently counted as Muslims? Proponents of Serbian guilt claim that virtually all of the Serb victims have been accounted for.

The malignant role of ICTY in fabricating history is exemplified by its spokesman Refik Hodjic (Hodjic, apparently himself a Bosnian Muslim speaks for the court ! - what a travesty of justice). He cites the failure of Krstic to dispute numbers as "proof" that the 2000 number is "outrageous". The tragic fact with regard to history is that such claims have assumed the importance of legal precedents despite the absurdity underlying them. That's why a direct, forceful official challenge to ICTY's pseudo-conclusions is extremely important.

14 posted on 09/03/2002 12:43:09 PM PDT by pythagorean
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>>>>The Bosnian Serb authorities are brave for refusing to go along with the Izetbegovic propaganda, which is so fanatically defended by certain western politicians, NGOs and media<<<<

All those who fanatically defend Izetbegovic propaganda are doing it to save save their own hide. could easily end up on $1 Trillion lawsuit list for abbeting Osama Bin Laden's network.

15 posted on 09/03/2002 1:01:57 PM PDT by DTA
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To: Honorary Serb
Nasir Oric goes hunting around Srebenica
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3a622d9a4135.htm
16 posted on 09/03/2002 1:18:46 PM PDT by vooch
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To: ABrit; Ranger
Clinton's Allies in Bosnia - The 7th Mujahedeen Brigade
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b98db631779.htm
17 posted on 09/03/2002 1:22:06 PM PDT by vooch
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To: vooch
Nasers time will arrive, V. It always does return to haunt the bad guys.
18 posted on 09/03/2002 1:22:41 PM PDT by smokegenerator
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Nasir Oric likes 'em young
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a647b500c50.htm
19 posted on 09/03/2002 1:29:27 PM PDT by vooch
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To: vooch
nasir like's em young...
20 posted on 09/03/2002 1:38:20 PM PDT by smokegenerator
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