Iraq and Poison Gas

The Nation ^ | 8/28/2002 | Dilip Hiro

[Jolly Rodgers]

No. I'm the fake Jolly Rodgers. The real one was cryogenically frozen and will be unavailable for two centuries. ;-)

[jwalsh07]

The Iraqui Connection by David Rose, The Observer

[jwalsh07]

LOL, what did you expect Bill Moyers to say? Read on.

[Jolly Rodgers]

Lots and lots of speculation in the media, but it is not the media who owes the American people an explanation and justification before sending our military to kill people in another nation. We are owed more than speculation and guesswork. The administration wants a war, so the burden of proof lies squarely on their shoulders to make their case and ask congress for a declaration. Or, we could just ignore the law and morality and just wing our way into empire.

[jwalsh07]

All in good time JR. I'll let you in on a secret. The Czech's have pictures of Atta and al Ani meeting n Prague. The POTUS has pictures of the 707 at Salman Pak. The CIA has solid information on Iraq's WMD program. In fact, their latest report even puts a number to the CB tipped SCUD's currently in Insane's arsenal.

When all the ducks are in a row, President Bush will present his case and that will be a bad day for Saddam Hussein and terrorists in general.

Just because the President has presented his case doesn't mean that evidence doesn't exist. Its there, it can be found on the internet and you're free to believe it or not.

[secretagent]

Nations are often forced to deal with bad men, for very good reasons.

Does the author have a clue as to what our relationship with Iran was at the time?

He might point out that the US also provided arms and military intelligence to Iran as well.

[Inyokern]

All that political posturing between left and right aside -- in your opinion, are we justified to initiate war against Iraq at this time? If so, on what grounds?

Yes, we are justified. The 1991 gulf war ended in a negotiated surrender, just as WWI did. The French and British would have been justified in going to war against Germany when the Germans began re-arming in the 1930's in violation of the Versailles treaty and history shows that they should have done that.

The situation in Iraq is analogous. Saddam Hussein is violating the terms he agreed to at the end of the Gulf War.

[Jolly Rodgers]

Love your bomb making pages though!

Got a link? I seem to have, ehr, misplaced it. Yeah, that's that ticket. I forgot where I put those pages...

[okie01]

"A couple of well placed disinformation leaks to the media and we've got the talking heads all running around speculating that the anthrax came from Iraq."

Who might they be?

Last I heard, the media was convinced it was a "domestic terrorist".

[okie01]

"He might point out that the US also provided arms and military intelligence to Iran as well."

And why do you suppose the US did that?

[Jolly Rodgers]

That's reasonable. If he were to make strides to come back into compliance with that surrender agreement, would we lose our justification?

[Jolly Rodgers]

Last I heard, the media was convinced it was a "domestic terrorist".

They flip-flop back and forth faster than a RINO.

[mikegi]

You forgot to add that we have almost 3000 reasons to adopt a preemptive policy rather than continue a reactive policy. It's shocking that some people still need to be hit over the head by a 2x4 before they'll do what needs to be done. Do we need 50,000 reasons to go after Saddam???

[Jolly Rodgers]

If you have evidence that Saddam is responsible for 9/11, then put it on the table. Otherwise, you are using the dead to advance you own agenda, and that's damned despicable.

[palmer]

history shows that they should have done that.

Defeat the facists and put the communists in power? Then Germany becomes allied with Stalin, a bigger butcher than Hitler.

No thanks, you can keep your alternative history.

[jwalsh07]

I put evidence on the table, convincing evidence. You choose to ignore it. So did the Clinton Administration.

[Inyokern]

If he were to make strides to come back into compliance with that surrender agreement, would we lose our justification?

Not strides. Complete compliance.

[Inyokern]

Defeat the facists and put the communists in power? Then Germany becomes allied with Stalin, a bigger butcher than Hitler

What makes you think the communists would have come to power in a French-British-American occupied Germany in the 1930's any more than they came to power in French-British-American occupied West Germany after WWII?

[secretagent]

I don't know why the US gave arms and military intelligence to both sides of the Iran-Iraq war.

If the US just gave support to one bad guy to restrain the other, greater, bad guy, I could see some sense in it. But I don't understand giving support to both bad guys.