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Texas Republican Party Platform Thread 2
Brown County GOP Website ^ | June, 2002 | Republican Party of Texas

Posted on 08/30/2002 5:32:48 AM PDT by Bigun

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To: Dog Gone
Somehow, I don't feel too protected by that.

I fully realize that yours is the winning hand in this discussion and that we will continue playing Russian Roulette with our futures based on the best 5 out of 9 but be assured that I at least know that it was NOT supposed to be that way and don't feel to protected by it.

61 posted on 08/31/2002 7:18:00 AM PDT by Bigun
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To: Dog Gone
See the fun you've missed?

If you call this FUN I take back my statement, made at lunch today, that you seem perfectly normal even though you were born in California! ;-)

62 posted on 08/31/2002 7:18:34 AM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: Bigun
I think enough people are still moral enough that they have to be duped into voting for someone that has no intention of delivering.

And that small percentage of moral people are critical to winning an election, yet have no voice or numbers enough to mount a recall when an elected offical renigs on his campaign promises.

How many "Contracts with America" have there been? No there has to be another way, a way with the force of law, to hold a politicians feet to the fire. When a national party decides it's platform a contract must be signed and agreed to. If the politician renigs he is subject to removal, even if only five people drag him before the court.

63 posted on 08/31/2002 8:15:09 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Bigun
What do you think of a citizen committee picked at random that serves for a year, and in that year, supervises their assigned politicians? Their committee would have to have the strength of removal from office behind them. And the committee having the power to bring one questionable law up for a vote as to it's consitutionality?

This committee would have to have more power than the Supreme Court. Even the Court would be subject to the committee. Or disagreements would have to be placed on a national ballot for an up or down vote by the citizens.

64 posted on 08/31/2002 8:24:16 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
What do you think of a citizen committee picked at random that serves for a year...

We have just such a committee already! It's called the United States House of Represenatives. It isn't picked at random -- perhaps it would be better if it were -- and they serve for two years rather than one, but they have ALL the power they need to do whatever needs doing!

The can, and recently did, impeach the president for goodness sake!

They have the power to remove ANY federal judge for "bad behavior" and they have the power to determine just what "bad behavior" means. Problem is that most of them are not LEADERS they are followers afraid of their own shadows. Not without justification, some of them have become disheartened with doing such things however because of a STUPID electorate!

Did you know that there is currently a member of the Congress who is a former federal judge? Yep, he was a federal judge until he got IMPEACHED whereupon he went back to Florida, ran for congress, and the STUPID electorate voted him in! His name is Alcee Hastings and you saw him all over the television during the "proceedings" down there last election!

Sorta makes ya SICK don't it? Does me!

65 posted on 08/31/2002 8:54:23 AM PDT by Bigun
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To: MissAmericanPie
Actually, someone said it much better than I EVER could a LONG time ago:

"A people may want a free government, but if, from insolence, or carelessness, or cowardice, or want of public spirit, they are unequal to the exertions necessary for preserving it; if they will not fight for it when it is directly attacked; if they can be deluded by the artifices used to cheat them out of it; if by monetary discouragement or temporary panic, or a fit of enthusiasm for an individual they can be induced to lay their liberties at the feet of even a great man, or trust him with powers which enable him to subvert their institutions; in all of these cases they are more or less unfit for liberty; and though it may be for their good to have had it even for a short time, they are unlikely to long enjoy it."

John Stuart Mill Essay on Representative Government

66 posted on 08/31/2002 9:03:15 AM PDT by Bigun
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From Federalist No. 45:

“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.”

Well, at least that is what they intended!

67 posted on 08/31/2002 9:08:33 AM PDT by Bigun
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To: MissAmericanPie
One more and I'm done!

"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."

Justice Brandeis USSC

68 posted on 08/31/2002 9:11:14 AM PDT by Bigun
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To: Bigun
Then wouldn't a contract keep men with zeal but no understanding from messing up? It would certainly keep those without good intentions from stepping out of line.

Without fear of punishment or loss, politicians are pretty free to step on the Constitution.

69 posted on 08/31/2002 9:15:37 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Bigun
At the risk of being rightfully called terribly unfair, you want

this person to determine what the Constitution means.

I prefer that

that this guy gets to have the final word.

70 posted on 08/31/2002 10:55:06 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Bigun
WHERE IS THE PART ABOUT ILLEGAL ALIENS?????????
71 posted on 08/31/2002 10:56:27 AM PDT by AndrewSmith
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To: Dog Gone
What the H*LL are you trin to do? Make me THROW UP all over my keyboard?
72 posted on 08/31/2002 11:05:30 AM PDT by Bigun
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To: AndrewSmith
We'll get there! Be patient! LOL!
73 posted on 08/31/2002 11:06:22 AM PDT by Bigun
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To: Bigun
Terribly cheap shot on my part. I apologize.
74 posted on 08/31/2002 11:12:00 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: MissAmericanPie
"We badly need iron teeth sitting over the heads of all elected officials, ready to bite them in half should they step out of line."

How about lead teeth? We have the 2nd amendment for that very purpose, but the citizens are too cowardly to use it...so far.

75 posted on 08/31/2002 3:29:58 PM PDT by wcbtinman
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To: Dog Gone
Thank you! ;>)
76 posted on 08/31/2002 5:49:27 PM PDT by Bigun
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To: Bigun
That is a great line that bears repeating over and over and over.
77 posted on 08/31/2002 8:55:27 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: wcbtinman
How about lead teeth? We have the 2nd amendment for that very purpose, but the citizens are too cowardly to use it...so far.

The last peaceful protection against constitutional violation is the right of the jury to use its own sense of justice to nullify bad law.

You will find that provision later down in the Texas platform. It is also in the Libertarian platform.

So the protections that are built into the constitution against tyranny number four boxes, to be used in this order.

The soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box. Before we must use our second amendment rights to have a violent revolution, we should be using our sixth amendment rights to stop the grave injustices that happen everyday.

78 posted on 09/01/2002 3:18:47 PM PDT by Mike4Freedom
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To: Bigun
Okay, based on the discussion in this thread, I'll score myself a 4 on this plank. That gives me a 14 as a running total.
79 posted on 09/03/2002 5:07:38 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Bigun
Full agreement.

10.
80 posted on 09/06/2002 7:11:03 AM PDT by hchutch
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