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Russia To Retain MIRV'd ICBMs Beyond START II Deadline (including SS-18s and SS-24s!)
Jane's Defence Weekly ^
| August 28, 2002
| Nikolai Novichkov
Posted on 08/27/2002 1:37:19 PM PDT by rightwing2
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To: Askel5
To: struwwelpeter
STRUW!!!!
(I'd been a little worried ... even if I knew better.)
Where the hell have you been?
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posted on
08/27/2002 5:06:24 PM PDT
by
Askel5
To: Paul Ross
Too bad you seem to have slept through this whole issue. I happen to think not but thanks. There is enough credible evidence to me to suggest that the US ALREADY has a capable missile shield in place in orbit.
Before you think it tinfoil think back to all of the Shuttle flights (hundreds) in the 80's that had classified and heavy payloads.
To: rightwing2
And the good news is that we have already imploded some Minuteman III (3 RVs) sites and are planning on early retirement of the Peacekeeper (10 RVs) leaving us with 500 single warhead missiles in silos.
Where's the hue and cry from those that hammered us when we backed out of the Kyoto acords?
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posted on
08/27/2002 5:11:00 PM PDT
by
pfflier
To: rightwing2; Stavka2
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posted on
08/27/2002 5:43:44 PM PDT
by
Orion78
To: rightwing2
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posted on
08/27/2002 6:10:38 PM PDT
by
Orion78
To: JohnHuang2; Sawdring; Free the USA; RCW2001
PING!
Any comments? Related Links?
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posted on
08/27/2002 6:44:33 PM PDT
by
Orion78
To: Orion78
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posted on
08/27/2002 6:46:46 PM PDT
by
Orion78
To: Askel5
refering to the article you have linked to. I want to clarify some things.
Russia is actually strong but is feining weakness, correct?
The bombing of Kosovo was setup by Moscow, correct?
The war in Chechnya is staged, correct?
And by the West ignoring/missing these things, the West is full of idiots.
Is that what the piece is stating?
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posted on
08/27/2002 8:19:31 PM PDT
by
enrg
To: enrg
And by the West ignoring/missing these things, the West is full of idiots. If you place your faith in the "saving graces of Western materialism", you're prone to all sorts of errors in judgment.
Such as not realizing that perhaps a deal is too good to be true.
(See also, "Trade with China".)
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posted on
08/27/2002 8:35:44 PM PDT
by
Askel5
To: Askel5
If you place your faith in the "saving graces of Western materialism", you're prone to all sorts of errors in judgment. Such as not realizing that perhaps a deal is too good to be true.
Agreed.
But is everything else I said what the article is attempting to state or did i read it wrong?
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posted on
08/27/2002 8:39:37 PM PDT
by
enrg
To: Askel5
You rock. Keep 'em coming.
To: enrg
Basically. I'm not sure to which link you're referring but because they're probably from either the Soviet Analyst or Arab-Asian Affairs, I'm certain it's some treatment of the progress of long-range leninist strategy for one region or another.
Russia is actually strong but is feigning weakness, correct?
Weakness has been quite the moneymaker for the State and their shattered economy is sufficient not only to excuse our throwing good money after bad, it serves to excuse their continued military sales to China and 'rogue' nations as well as the nuclear power plants they're building in places like Bushehr, Iran. Regardless the fact that -- as is their practice -- they often state the obvious for the Slow:
The bombing of Kosovo was setup by Moscow, correct?
I wouldn't go that far. I don't think you can look at the way the GOP preserved the "Mad Bomber of Sudan" through impeachment and cattle-prodded the Big Lewinsky with the Incredibly Shrinking Cox Report into launching the war well before the "good bombing weather" over which the Pentagon was crowing would come in June ... long after we were running out of things to hit. Do you remember the Evil Clinton's ashen face in that first week? Didn't appear to me the face of a bold madman who was bombing the Cox Report off the front page. Rather, it was a President so shaken somehow that he dropped the "football" one day. Remember?
Rather, I look at the way some of the Bush administration admitted they really could have had the Bosnia thing wrapped up before handing the Balkan baton to Clinton ... who managed to ratchet our presence appreciably and cash some substantial check with Congress -- even committing us somehow to assisting in the prosecution of Milosevic as part of finishing the Moral War we started -- before handing it back.
I think indeed there are Western stakeholders who consider themselves Interested Parties to the continuing conflict in the Balkans. (See, George Soros, Trepka Mines, etc.)
This (as well as concerted infiltration of our "think tanks" and agencies for over 50 years) could be part of the reason that our leadership's thinking is a little deluded and -- just as they didn't comprehend the incongruity of NATO's acting offensively outside its charter -- they think nothing of putting a former Soviet at the right hand of every critical post (as in 1989, putting a former radical like Robertson at the head of the beast and -- with Russia's conditional membership that (like their and China's set-ups with the world economic collectives) amounts to simple, effective Veto Power contemporaneous with the wooing of a potential "full" or "most favored" member -- effecting precisely the security collective the former Soviets envisioned for Europe to match the Euro Economic Collective already in place.
The war in Chechnya is staged, correct?
Let's just say it continues to great effect. Unlike Yeltsin's standing atop a tank a la Lenin during his bombing of "The White House", I don't like to believe that such violence could be "staged" however. I think the war is genuine on several levels. Unleashed, exacerbated ... controlled, perhaps.
I believe it's been perpetuated for many reasons ... not the least of which is that it goes a long way to explaining how in the world "terrorism" managed to strike at the heart of the Terror Internationale and thus put Russia on our side as "fellow victim" of terror at the hands of Islamic fundie dogs.
In this instance, I would not only look to the perpetuation of soviet-sponsored terror and violence in Israel that ebbs and flows as circumstances dictate but also the crystal clear maxims of those who "established" the Security Services, like Trotsky, who said: "The revolution does not make sense without terror."
I think the Soviets have done a bang-up job and abolished the image of the enemy just as they promised to do on the eve of perestroika. I couldn't help but notice in Red Square last summer that an icon of Christ now faces off with the tomb of Lenin ... but from the "holy gate" that is GUM department store.
I gave you some of my thoughts so you'd understand why the articles I linked not only resonate with me but make sense in that they reveal a certain consistency over time despite the dialectic yin yang by which Russia will saber rattle against NATO one moment and join it the next.
"OH please don't throw me in da briar patch!!"
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posted on
08/27/2002 9:43:21 PM PDT
by
Askel5
To: nunya bidness
As you wish.
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posted on
08/27/2002 9:44:48 PM PDT
by
Askel5
To: Askel5
You forgot to call me farmboy.
To: nunya bidness
As you wish, Farmboy.
(And with that ... I'm off to read more of Mark's book)
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posted on
08/27/2002 10:19:35 PM PDT
by
Askel5
To: Orion78
Yes you are absolutely right, and after we nuke your country we are going to rape your women and eat your brains...what few we find...now bugger off.
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posted on
08/28/2002 4:51:35 AM PDT
by
Stavka2
To: enrg
Enrg, let them be. Every now and then the bunch of these bunker nuts climb out of their holes in the ground, breath in fresh air...get ticked their appocalyptic dreams and Red Dawn fantasies haven't come true and start posting....to one or two articles, where they all gather to pat themselves on their collective backs for being so bright to see what the rest of the human morons can't and then after such mutually satisfing fluffying (in the litteral sense) they all climb back down, close the vault doors and await the coming invasion. Humor them, but don't talk to them...only encourages the lot of them.
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posted on
08/28/2002 4:57:01 AM PDT
by
Stavka2
To: Stavka2
And just how many inmates are still in the Russian/Soviet Gulags???
To: rightwing2; belmont_mark
The following confirmed this almost a week ago...
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MISSILE DEFENSE BRIEFING REPORT NO. 67, August 20, 2002 American Foreign Policy Council, Washington, DC
Editor: Ilan Berman
- THE POLITICS OF ATTACKING IRAQ
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As momentum for a campaign against Iraq builds in Washington, the Bush administration is taking steps to reassure allies in the Middle East. Recently, a delegation of top American defense officials traveled to Ankara to discuss the possibility of a joint Patriot shield to protect parts of Turkey from Iraqi missiles. Now, the White House appears to be getting set to bolster Israeli missile defenses. Though not a step formally requested by Jerusalem, the August 15th Haaretz reports that the U.S. is planning to provide Israel with units of the American PAC-3 system ahead of any military action against Baghdad. In addition to supplementing Israels existing defenses, the PAC-3 deployment could also serve a significant political purpose, the paper reports; it would give the Bush administration a greater ability to restrain the Israeli government in the event of missile strikes from Iraq. - COOPERATION ALONG THE AXIS
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Baghdad, meanwhile, could soon receive military assistance from an unexpected direction. Middle East Newsline (August 19) reports that Iran is examining a request for advanced arms made by its historic rival. The overture, aired recently in Tehran by Iraqi heir-apparent Qusay Hussein, is said to include inquiries about units of Irans Shihab-3 medium range missiles. While not expecting Tehran to actively collaborate with Baghdad, Western intelligence sources have dubbed Irans consideration of the motion to be a significant indicator of warming ties between the two nations. - A SAUDI MISSILE THREAT?
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A report by Israels Yediot Ahronot daily has detailed Saudi Arabias rapidly expanding missile capabilities. The expose, covered on August 12th by the Worldnetdaily website, reveals that Riyadh has acquired 120 long-range CSS-2 missiles from China over the past decade. The nuclear-capable rockets, the majority of which are based at a major missile complex in the southern Saudi oasis of El-Solayil, have a range of 3,500 kilometers and are capable of striking Israel, Turkey and parts of India. - MOSCOW TALKS MISSILES...
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Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov has gone public with new revelations about the Kremlins missile plans. Visiting a division of Russias Strategic Missile Troops in the Chelyabinsk region recently, Ivanov revealed that Moscow views the countrys arsenal of SS-18 Satan intercontinental ballistic missiles as the cornerstone of its future nuclear and missile force. The nuclear-capable ICBMs, which can overpower the most modern anti-missile defense system, will remain in combat service until 2016 as part of Russias revamped nuclear missile shield, Interfax (August 16) reports Ivanov as saying. The news constitutes an abandonment of Moscows commitments to the 1993 START II agreement, under which former Russian President Boris Yeltsin pledged to dismantle Russias arsenal of SS-18s by 2007. - ...EYES KUWAITI MARKETS
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The Kremlin is also planning for an expanded and lucrative defense relationship with Kuwait, Itar-TASS (August 19) reports. According to defense industry sources cited by the news agency, Russias state-owned Rosoboroneksport defense conglomerate is planning to earn between $100-200 million on the Kuwaiti arms market over the next several years. Of particular interest to the Kuwaiti military are Russian air and missile defense systems like the Tor-1, which the Gulf state hopes will correct deficiencies in its short range air defenses. - TOKYO INCHES TOWARD WASHINGTON
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Japan is poised to significantly expand its missile defense relationship with the United States, the Jiji Press Ticker Service (August 14) reports. According to defense officials in Tokyo, the Japanese Defense Agency is mulling the possibility of expanding cooperation with the Pentagon from its current research phase to the active development of ballistic missile defenses. If approved, the decision, which is expected by the end of this year, would pave the way for the deployment of cooperative sea-based missile defenses based on Japans fleet of Aegis destroyers by the year 2005.
Copyright © 2002, American Foreign Policy Council. All Rights Reserved.
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