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Big Brother hiding inside cars’ airbags (black boxes Goverment is Watching you)
Dayton Daily News ^ | 08.22.2002 | Cathy Mong

Posted on 08/26/2002 4:16:29 PM PDT by USA21

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To: DoughtyOne; Kaslin
Kaslin....EZ Pass is a monthly service for paying tolls (booths and bridges) in the tri state (NJ NY PA) area.

DoughtyOne....I have two major reasons why I am against EZ Pass. 1)Once we commit to paying a monthoy fee for toll booths and bridges we are saying that we agree to paying them. We agree that we should pay for something that we were told (in the 50s) would only last a short while to pay for the road costruction. We commit and we will have to pay for life. This may happen anyway but I will not commit to it monthly that is for sure. 2)This is where the big brother part comes in. The EZ pass can be used for two major BB tactics. They can use towers to track where you are based on the EZ pass on your car. Second they can tell how long it took you to get from one booth to another and thereofre give out trafic tickets based on this. I am not aware of either of these methods being practiced but the fact that they can be alone is enough to make me shy away from it.

Now some might say that I should not have to worry as long as I do the speed limit, but how many falsely accused tickets will there be based on the malfaction of these machines.

You r take on why you wouldn't use them?
41 posted on 08/26/2002 7:53:38 PM PDT by Mixer
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To: MJY1288
They will find you a good pizza place too.
42 posted on 08/26/2002 7:55:56 PM PDT by luckodeirish
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To: Mixer
OIC. Thanks
43 posted on 08/26/2002 7:56:55 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Mixer
It doesn't matter if you use EZ pass or not, I have traveled extensively and I have been through many toll booths and everytime I get a reciept it has the date and time posted on the reciept, at the next toll booth I get a reciept with the time and date posted on it. You don't need EZ Pass to figure out if you have been speeding between toll booths.

I'm with you on the Big Brother thing, but EZ Pass is meant to be a convienence not a monitor. When the Government and it's creative members who look for a way to collect fines step over the line. It's our responsibility to stand up and fight them. In case after case that intrudes on our privacy we see them challenged in our courts and in most cases our privacy is protected. Most of these violations of our privacy are attempted by Local or State Governments in an effort to raise funds by way of fines.

I own my own business and some of the laws passed by the county I operate my business in are so intrusive it's incredible. I challenged my local government over a water issue and won, and since then I feel it's my responsibility to speak out when it's neccessary. As long as we Americans keep our represenatives feet to the fire and remain active against their abuses we will continue to be the greatest and the most free population in the world. I for one believe we will always remain this way. "We the People" still means a hell of a lot to me. As it does you!

God Bless

44 posted on 08/26/2002 8:17:00 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: MJY1288
You should take your car back to the nearest GM dealer and ask that they remove the on-star system. It's an invasion of privacy.
45 posted on 08/26/2002 9:20:09 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: Syncro
I'd have it removed. Its very eery to know that this "Big Brother" type service is monitoring your every move.
46 posted on 08/26/2002 9:21:55 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: Mixer
Oh, really now. I don't care if they know which toll booths I'm going through. And if they ever put cameras in the airbag devices, they'll get endless footage of people picking their noses. Most people, myself included, lead extremely dull, mundane lives.
47 posted on 08/26/2002 9:26:02 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: FreedomFriend
Nah, I doubt I am of any interest to the FEDS or anyone else. But if I decide to become a terrorist or a fugitive from justice... I'll be sure to cut the antenna. "On Star" is completely useless without an antenna. That is why I purchased "LoJack" to protect my car from theft. It's only activated when it's reported stolen. And it can only be activated by the owner of the car with a password and serial number.

I still have faith in those of us who are willing to do more than snivel about how our rights are being infringed upon by Big Brother. As long as we stand up to those in government who want to invade our privacy and violate constitution rights, This nation will remain a Free Republic.

48 posted on 08/26/2002 9:43:05 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: FreedomFriend; Dr. Zoo
No I will leave it in . Dr. Zoo of the Institute of Phenomonology is working on a deflector that will scramble the location of the vehicle when necessary.
49 posted on 08/26/2002 9:44:21 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Syncro
bump mark
50 posted on 08/27/2002 3:00:52 AM PDT by doglot
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To: MJY1288
I have traveled extensively and I have been through many toll booths and everytime I get a reciept it has the date and time posted on the reciept, at the next toll booth I get a reciept with the time and date posted on it.

That is true but if you go exact change everytime or to a toll taker they are not really checking the time for that, unless there are cameras there at each booth and they put the time times together, based on when they snapped a photo of your license plate, to figure the time spent from one toll to another......enter EZ pass this makes that scenerio that much easier fro them to figure out. I also agree that this techinque of ticket giving is not widely used. Mainly because there would need to be a person in court to say for 100% certain that you went through that toll at that exact time or mechanical failure could be blamed in every single case. This would become costly for the state and I am not worried that they will be doing it anytime soon.

My biggest concern is them knowing that peopel are commited to paying the tolls monthly.

I'm with you on the Big Brother thing, but EZ Pass is meant to be a convienence not a monitor.

While it's true that having EZ pass is easier for me and you it IS a monitoring device.

I am with you that the EZ pass it meant to do more good then harm when it comes to our rights. I am not a conspiracy guy I just like to drive fast now and then : )

51 posted on 08/27/2002 6:53:22 AM PDT by Mixer
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To: MJY1288
I also found this article about how they may be ending discounts for the EZ pass users but continue to charge them $1 a month to use it.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/72502_nw_ezpass.html

An intersting read.
52 posted on 08/27/2002 6:58:01 AM PDT by Mixer
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To: Pining_4_TX
I don't care if they know which toll booths I'm going through.

Now this may be far fetched but would you start caring if all of the sudden you got a letter in the mail or better yet a police oficer shows up at your house and tells you that you are suspected of a hit and run accident on a highway that you never even traveled on but since the EZ Pass computer claims your number was scanned at around the same time you are now a suspect.

Seems like life just got a whole lot more interesting for you now : )

53 posted on 08/27/2002 7:01:47 AM PDT by Mixer
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