Milosevic Trial Resumes

NYT ^ | 8/25/02 | MARLISE SIMONS

[andy_card]

Great. There were KLA in the village. Explain to me how that excuses the summary execution of every male in the town?

[andy_card]

You can call for justice for KLA thugs all you want - the, um, opposition here will still label you as a KLA supporter.

I'll take your word for it. Who would have thought that support for a hard-line Communist like Milosevic would be so pronounced on a supposedly conservative news forum like FR?

[joan]

"Explain to me how that excuses the summary execution of every male in the town?"

Name a boy who was killed. Were 41 men (19 and older) "every male in the town". You said boys where killed, but there are none mentioned as being killed. Even the other two towns, there is none under 19.

[andy_card]

Name a boy who was killed. Were 41 men (19 and older) "every male in the town". You said boys where killed, but there are none mentioned as being killed. Even the other two towns, there is none under 19.

Your source is wrong.

A small sampling of identified remains of boys:

Shpendw BOGUJEVCI Male 12 years
Shpetm BOGUJEVCI Male 10 years
Arber DURIQI Male 8 years
Albion DURIQI Male 2 years
Fevzi KOSUMI Male 16 years
Source: Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE)

[joan]

These weren't from Cuska, were they? Where were these boys from?

[Ranger]

I'm much more against Milosevic's darker deeds. I'm not against Serbs. I am not pro-KLA. The KLA has numerous issues of its own as your rightly point out.

[Hoplite]

Communist?

I think the only true hard line ideology Milo subscribed to was "Milosevism" - everything else was merely a means to his end.

Droll, n'est pas?

Whatever - enjoy it while it lasts, and learn who you can ignore early, your time is an asset and there are those upon whom it is merely squandered.

[andy_card]

Communist? I think the only true hard line ideology Milo subscribed to was "Milosevism" - everything else was merely a means to his end.

Of course, you're right. But the same was true of most hardline East-European and Soviet "Communists." From Brezhnev on, ideology played virtually no role in the Soviet bloc. While Yugoslavia was never really in the bloc, Milosevic followed late Soviet standards of governance pretty closely.

[Ranger]

Andy, trust me. These Milosevic apologists and lackeys see and hear no serbian evil. Facts simply will not register with them. Even if you make a point, the next day they will be repeating the same trash tomorrow. You'd think they were defending Father Christmas instead of a truly evil man. The best we can do is prevent them from distoring the truth without challenge. Ask Hoplite. He knows far better than I.

[Kate22]

I have no problem with his actions to fight the Croats and the KLA. But massacring civilians? Unacceptable.

I agree that 'massacring civilians' is unacceptable, but apart from individual atrocities (which should be answered for) there is no evidence of any massacres as painted by Nato. Firstly, what the hell do you call bombing civilians for 78 days and killing and maiming thousands? It was state terrorism which massacred civilians in front of the whole world. Most of the massacre stories in Kosovo were fake, but the deaths caused by Nato can all be accounted for (as will be seen in the future).

Secondly, fighting the 'Croats and the KLA' can hardly be lumped together. One was a war, the other was an action against separatists. Next you will be rolling Bosnia and Kosovo into the same category.

As medved said and DTA illustrated: "European forensics teams walked out of Kosovo in disgust after finding a few corpses which appeared to have died natural deaths in places where the clintonistas had claimed hundreds of billions of genocide victims would be found."

This is a fact and happened very early on following the occupation, as did refusals by some Nato pilots who had a conscience about bombing civilians and civilian infrastructure. After all, that is a war crime, or hadn't you heard?

[Destro]

Both the KLA and Milosevic should be tried in Serbia for crimes, and both could probably be found guilty (though neither of genocide), but not by the UN Court. The UN Court is a Kangaroo Court. As of today the KLA has probably killed more civilians than Slobo ever did through his orders (which the UN prosecution has still yet to prove violated the rules of war or humanity).

[lawdog]

"Trying" Milo is like singling out one driver at the Indy 500 and writing him a traffic ticket- for speeding.The trial is part PT Barnum and part NWO euro trash with a bit of old style "Soviet show trial" thrown in for "insurance".

[Ranger]

Perhaps. Maybe Slobo will be a sport and kill himself.

[The-Olovo-Order]

you're denying that the Serbs, under Milosevic's direction committed a vast number of war crimes, both in Bosnia and in Kosovo, you're living in a fantasy land. What's also true is that Bosnian Muslims, Kosovar Albanians, and, especialy, Croats committed acts of similar barbarism, albeit on a somewhat smaller scaleHey hotshot, were you there at all during the conflict? How do you learn your information, from NYT, CNN and that sort?

You like for me to tell you about the destruction of a "muslim village" the Serbs did commit? I can do my best to recall the name, you want to know why the Serbs destroyed this village, hotshot?

[The-Olovo-Order]

There were KLA in the village. Explain to me how that excuses the summary execution of every male in the town? then you explain to me why the reasoning to do repeated air runs on the Serbian CIVILIAN train occurred? How about the Albanian refugee column, repeated strafing, etc... c'mon hotshot, answer those questoins?

[The-Olovo-Order]

Your source is wrong.
A small sampling of identified remains of boys:
Shpendw BOGUJEVCI Male 12 years
Shpetm BOGUJEVCI Male 10 years
Arber DURIQI Male 8 years
Albion DURIQI Male 2 years
Fevzi KOSUMI Male 16 years
Source: Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE)

How many of those may have been phantom names such as the "dead" Srebrenican muslim men and boys...The same ones who died over the years. These names above most likely were killed by the KLA to clear their story of not being responsible for the grisly murders they committed... Hotshot, come up with your sources to who you tend to recieve your info from...

[The-Olovo-Order]

Ignoring some who are a threat to your foundation is your trait.

[andy_card]

How many of those may have been phantom names such as the "dead" Srebrenican muslim men and boys? [filler removed] Hotshot, come up with your sources to who you tend to recieve your info from...

You people are incredible. My source is, as previously stated, the OSCE. And Srebrenica is not, the last time I checked, anywhere in the immediate vicinity of Kosova.

[The-Olovo-Order]

You people are incredible. My source is, as previously stated, the OSCE. And Srebrenica is not, the last time I checked, anywhere in the immediate vicinity of Kosova--- Shows your card there in that statement. KosovO is in Serbia, much like Bosnia is within Serbia. That is a tainted group, bias towards the hand that feeds it- the US/Nato. Their testimony and credibility is nil as previewed in this past showtrial. C'mon, hotshot, do better than that.

[Gael]

What I find most interesting about your correspondents' statements is that while they blame Milosevic they claim not to hold an animus against Serbs per se and even recognize that the other side committed atrocities. I'll take that at face value, and I welcome it as a change from the unrelentingly one-sided depiction over the past decade of the Serbs as uniquely evil and their adversaries as poor innocent victims.

As for Mr._card's claim that the NATO-KLA alliance was one of convenience only, it ignores the documentation that western military forces -- admittedly German and British, not US as far as I can tell -- were training the KLA in 1998, long before the phony "genocide" started. Moreover, every time the KLA got its clock cleaned by Serb forces (e.g., in August and October 1998), NATO stepped in to impose a cease-fire and (in October) a Serb military withdrawal that allowed its pet proxies to live and fight another day. NATO didn't reluctantly ally itself with the KLA to "save" the "Kosovars" from "genocide". Rather, NATO and the KLA were in bed from the get-go.

Statements to the contrary now are nothing more than CYA. Let's face it, the KLA has proven an embarrassment and is fast becoming a threat, so now it's expedient to pretend that the marriage was one of convenience instead of mutual lust for Serbian blood.

As for massacres, I'll pay attention when Messrs _card and Ranger show as much outrage over the mass graves in Afghanistan populated by Talibans who were suffocated by America's allies there.