Posted on 08/26/2002 5:49:50 AM PDT by Ranger
That's a shame. I could use $10k.
Perhaps not. But since "imbecilic" thinking like my own has more or less governed US foreign policy for the last sixty years, I guess its your loss.
Um, have you been to Kosovo? I haven't been in decades, but when I was there, with my untrained eye I had real trouble telling the Orthodox from the Muslims. They were all poor as dirt. Of course, maybe you're more adept at spotting subtle differences of appearance...
You mean we bombed targets in Belgrade other than the Chinese Embassy?
You know I meant "hundreds OR thousands," not "hundreds OF thousands." Mea culpa.
I'm still looking for that $10,000 Medved and Phillip Augustus refused to bet me...
When Nauru and Kiribati get brought up, I'll know its time to take up another hobby.
At least you recognise that Nato meant to bomb the embassy.
Yes, bridges and the power grid are legitimate military targets.
Under the Geneva Convention it is a war crime to deprive civilians of vital power supplies and infrastructure. Basic knowledge that you should have read up on, ABrit MII.
You are factually incorrect on so many counts I can't be bothered with you, especially as you find it all so amusing that Nato killed, terrorised, maimed and made homeless thousands and thousands of people in your name (or possibly on your behalf).
You obviously don't know very much about the issue at all. Did you know that Albanians also moved from Kosovo into other areas of Serbia? Do you know how ethnically mixed Serbia is as a country? Do you know anything about the KLA or do you really believe that they are 'freedom fighters'?
If you are a 'superior' being then why don't you go into war zones and look people in their eyes as you kill them? You are a coward who can only feel power and superiority by proxy - the worst kind. I hope that Ruder & Finn are paying you well.
Not Nato. The United States of America. I may be a "twat," but I'm not politically naïve.
Under the Geneva Convention it is a war crime to deprive civilians of vital power supplies and infrastructure. Basic knowledge that you should have read up on, ABrit MII.
Please quote me the precise article of any of the Geneva Conventions which makes it illegal to bomb the power grid. I've seen Article 54 of the 1979 Protocol Additions to the 1949 Geneva Convention cited by you pro-Slobo folks. For the benefits of those on this thread not intimately familiar with treaty law, here's the relevent section from that article:
It is prohibited to attack, destroy, remove or render useless objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population, such as foodstuffs, agricultural areas for the production of foodstuffs, crops, livestock, drinking water installations and supplies and irrigation works, for the specific purpose of denying them for their sustenance value to the civilian population or to the adverse Party, whatever the motive, whether in order to starve out civilians, to cause them to move away, or for any other motive.
I'd like to see how the US Air Force violated that by hitting the electrical grid. Take your time...
You are factually incorrect on so many counts I can't be bothered with you,
I understand. But I appreciate your deigning to condescend to the likes of me, nonetheless.
Did you know that Albanians also moved from Kosovo into other areas of Serbia? Do you know how ethnically mixed Serbia is as a country?
Yes.
How many times do I need to attack the KLA before you'll get it through your thick skull that I'm not apologizing for them?
If you are a 'superior' being then why don't you go into war zones and look people in their eyes as you kill them?
Actually, I have and I bear the scar and Purple Heart to prove it.
You are a coward who can only feel power and superiority by proxy - the worst kind. I hope that Ruder & Finn are paying you well.
It seems your only response to facts is an irrational appeal to emotion and ad hominem attack. When you want to debate instead of name-call, you can give me a ping.
There indeed was a criminal intent to to terrorize civilian population:
"I think no power to your refrigerator, no gas to your stove, you can’t get to work because the bridge is down- the bridge on which you hold your rock concerts and you all stood with targets on your heads. That needs to disappear at three o’clock in the morning".
The graphite bombs caused breakdown of power grid and death of incubator babies in Institute of Mother and Child care in Belgrade.
A reporter in Brussels asked NATO spokesman Jamie Shea about it and Shea's answer was:
"President Milosevic has got plenty of back-up generators. His armed forces have hundreds of them. He can either use these back-up generators to supply his hospitals, his schools, or he can use them to supply his military. His choice. If he has a big headache over this, then that is exactly what we want him to have and I am not going to make any apology for that. "
I can thell that you care only only about fake Kuwait "incubator babies" stories of Tom Lantos/Rudder Fin provenance ; real dead babies killed by destruction of power grid are too much for your ilk to comprehend.
In Kosovo war, civilians were the target, military was colateral damage. 14 destroyed tanks are the proof.
Andy, perhaps you need CPU upgrade, your chance to successfuly sell fog on FR is between zip and nil.
Based on your other claims, how would one know?
139 posted on 8/27/02 10:45 AM Eastern by andy_card
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"NATO countries are those that have provided the finance to set up the Tribunal, we are amongst the majority financiers, and of course to build a second chamber so that prosecutions can be speeded up so let me assure that we and the Tribunal are all one on this, we want to see war criminals brought to justice and I am certain that when Justice Arbour goes to Kosovo and looks at the facts she will be indicting people of Yugoslav nationality and I don't anticipate any others at this stage."
[ May 17, 1999 Transcript of NATO press conference by Jamie Shea & Major General W. Jertz in Brussels Transcribed by M2 PRESSWIRE (c) 1999.]
If you have been in combat you more than anyone should not bait people whose lives have been directly affected by this. People rightly show respect for the US victims of September 11th - how about respect for other peoples?
I don't know where you get the impression that I am a 'Slobo fan'. He is not my affair because I'm not Serbian. But I do however admire his courage in standing up to the 'international community' (which by the way actually comprises of more than the US and the UK which you describe as 'superior powers') and their bullying transparent victor's justice. It makes a mockery of true international law.
I wish him well in exposing the entire shame surrounding the Balkans foreign policy of the US and Europe. Shame that Nato have turned him into an anti-hero and shame that the people who have really suffered in the Balkans (of all ethnicities) are not the ones receiving attention, justice or the required help.
And yes it is an emotive issue. Belgrade is a European capital city and bombing it was the same as attacking Paris or Rome. Many people throughout the country have died and had their lives shattered when they were neither combatants nor a 'threat to the US'.
Nato cluster bombed Nis market, bombed ambulances as they attended the injured, blew up young technicians and other staff at RTS, hit hospitals, and on one occasion beheaded a priest with a bomb (very symbolic)... it was a despicable attack which will not be remembered with any pride in history books.
I really take exception to how funny you think that it all is and how you assume so much about the people who were against it.
DTA - good links to very relevant quotes. Thanks.
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