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AUTOPSY AND INVESTIGATIVE REPORTS ON THE DEATH OF CHIEF NEGOTIATOR
08/23/02 | Harris County Medical Examiner's Office, Houston Fire Department Fire/Arson Investigations

Posted on 08/25/2002 5:31:16 PM PDT by COB1

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To: COB1
Thanks for the update, Cob! I'm kind of in and out of the internet as work and travel allow, but I am happy to see that y'all are keeping up on this and I'm glad to see that Houston Arson is still looking at it. It would be great if they made the bust using info that you helped obtain. Actually, it would just be great to get justice for the Chief's passing on.
841 posted on 09/03/2002 5:10:27 PM PDT by meyer
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To: COB1
Thanks so much for the ping,COB1. I keep praying for a break in this case and justice for Chief.
842 posted on 09/03/2002 5:29:53 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: COB1
Thank you so much for the update!
843 posted on 09/03/2002 7:46:14 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: COB1
Thank you for the update....
844 posted on 09/03/2002 8:31:27 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: COB1
Thanks Cobby,

Re-opening a closed case is an uphill battle. This should be an open case and it is an open case. This is good news.
845 posted on 09/03/2002 9:11:10 PM PDT by Barnacle
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To: COB1
Thanks for getting this information and sharing it with us COB1.
846 posted on 09/03/2002 9:13:16 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: COB1
Good news, COB.

Please keep me posted!
847 posted on 09/03/2002 10:40:36 PM PDT by Humidston
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To: COB1
Bump
848 posted on 09/05/2002 11:19:00 PM PDT by fatima
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To: COB1
The group we have put together will continue to pursue the avenues we are allowed, and we will report any new findings.

Did you find anything you can share?

849 posted on 09/14/2002 11:28:58 AM PDT by carenot
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To: carenot
Care, I've been met with some stonewalling, but give me until Wednesday of next week.
I'll try to have some info to post by that time.
Thanks for the continuing interest.
850 posted on 09/14/2002 4:56:01 PM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1
I noticed the Chief's blood/alcohol level being questioned a few times here, and without having time to read every post on every page of every thread to see if this info was already posted, I did a little research to find out just how much a feller needed to drink to hit .18.

Assuming he was drinking Red Dog, and assuming 12 ounce bottles, the Chief would have to sock away 8 of them in an hour, considering his 220lb body weight.

Not an easy feat, in my opinion, but doable, if one is accustomed to drinking like that.

I don't wanna knock the Chief.. in fact, I wanna help figure out this riddle. So I think back to my younger days when I could knock down a dozen in an hour or two... how drunk did I get? Not drunk enough to become so disoriented in a fire as to allow myself to burn or to not be able to escape it.

He was found in the bathroom, inches away from safety. I find that strange, and not explainable by his B/A level.

I'm not a medical examiner, so I can't ascertain from the ME's report, just how those peculiar burns on the genitalia came about, so I won't even speculate. But I do have some experience with intoxicated behavior... :)

Anyway, one scenario that comes to mind is him being in the den, or on the can, when the fire starts in the dining room. Seeing the flame, he instinctively tries to get to his wife to get her out, tries several times, gets burned pretty good, and retreats... but if he makes it to the bathroom, why can't he make the extra few steps required to get out of the house altogether? Is he too intoxicated to think clearly? does he pass out from shock and intoxication?

I don't think so... in my experience, emergency situations tend to have a rapid sobering effect... maybe not at a B/A level of .30, but at .18, an experienced drinker can keep his wits about him. I have, on many an occassion.

I'm sure that in that scenario, he would be able to retreat, leave through the garage, and make it around the outside of the house to the bedroom window to assist his Mrs. in getting out. This is a man we're talking about... not some whiney liberal snot nosed cry baby. If he had an ounce of life left, he's gonna get his wife out first and worry about dyin later...

Is he overcome by smoke in such a short time? I don't think that's the case either.. Not in a naturally aspirated wood fire... I'm sure it's documented somewhere, that smokers can withstand the lethal gasses of a fire more so than non smokers... I guess our bodies become accustomed to the intake of harmful gasses, and we acquire some form of resistence.

I have been in, and put out one housefire in my life and the smoke was a non factor except for the discomfort in the eyes. It was a desk that caught fire from a candle, and a lot of paper, plastic and wood was burning, and the smoke was extremely dense... I put it out using a plastic bathroom trash can and water from the bathtub... it took about 10 or 15 buckets to get it under control, so I was in that smoke for some time. It occured in a 2nd floor bedroom, and I didn't notice it until the smoke had already made it down to the 1st floor and into the sunken den at the end of the house, so you can imagine it was quite smokey up there.

Typically, there is nothing in a dining room that can generate so much heat and toxic smoke in such a short time as to be debilitating to a person so quickly. It's not a long, slow smouldering sofa fire in which the cushions produce intense levels of toxic gasses, and almost explode into a super hot fire ball... It's a wooden table and chairs...

It all tells me that foul play isn't just a possibility, it's not even a probability.. it's a definite. We can't give up on this... there's a killer lose...

I only wish I hadn't taken a leave of this place right around the time the Chief died... I hadn't heard that it was arson til just today.

Keep up the great work and thanks for being such a good friend to a great freeper!

851 posted on 09/16/2002 4:28:22 PM PDT by Critter
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To: DeSoto
From what I have been reading about Houston, they need a major house cleaning at City Hall.

No truer words have ever been spoken.

852 posted on 09/30/2002 2:42:47 PM PDT by girlscout
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To: girlscout; COB1
Been a year today.
853 posted on 10/04/2002 3:59:00 PM PDT by carenot
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To: carenot
bump
854 posted on 10/04/2002 4:06:15 PM PDT by lucyblue
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To: girlscout; COB1
thanks for bumping this. COB, has there been any new news?
855 posted on 10/04/2002 4:06:16 PM PDT by 1riot1ranger
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To: 1riot1ranger; COB1
Waiting. Tell us something.

What is happening?

We Know you have been stunped but tell us what you think.

That one little bump got two answers.

No one thinks about Herb now.

He is old news.
856 posted on 10/04/2002 4:49:46 PM PDT by carenot
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To: carenot; 1riot1ranger; HoustonCurmudgeon; Humidston; Dog Gone
"No one thinks about Herb now."

You're wrong, care.
I think about Herb EVERY single day!

I called the arson investigators on Monday and left messages.
I called them back on Tuesday and left messages.
I appear to have been shut out of this investigation.
The only news I have is from the Chief of Arson Investigations that this investigation is still open.
This is both good and bad, as we have discussed.
The video which the report says was taken at the house is now in question of ever existing.

As long as this investigation is still in progress, there's nothing I can do with the Attorney General.
I'm as frustrated as any one!
If anyone has any ideas about how to proceed, I would love to hear them.

857 posted on 10/04/2002 6:22:17 PM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1
Thank you for keeping on.

I don't know what to do.

All the threads were pulled.

And I know who did that.

I have been mad a long time.
858 posted on 10/04/2002 6:31:46 PM PDT by carenot
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To: carenot; Jalapeno; ru4liberty; Dog Gone; Flyover Country; LadyX; philman_36; Scuttlebutt; xJones; ..
Okay, care.....I've pinged everybody!

Is is time for an all out e-mail blitz?

WHAT DO Y'ALL SAY??

859 posted on 10/04/2002 6:44:36 PM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1
Note to self:
"Is" is not the same word as "it".
860 posted on 10/04/2002 6:45:57 PM PDT by COB1
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