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Bush Declines to Share Stage with Simon at Hispanic Event
The Washington Times ^ | August 23, 2002 | Ralph Z. Hallow

Posted on 08/23/2002 6:33:35 AM PDT by rightwing2

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:56:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: vbmoneyspender
what involvement Simon had in hiring the convicted felon and firing him?

You don't get the point. It's the litigation that is the problem. It could have been a divorce, a old traffic ticket, anything that is a negative and get's alot of press.

You cannot beat a incumbant this way.

41 posted on 08/23/2002 8:11:14 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Coop
Yur Right!!

Folks are gonna believe what they want to believe.

November 5th .. Believe what you want .. BUT VOTE!!!


DUMP DAVI$ & the Den of Socialists



GO SIMON

42 posted on 08/23/2002 8:11:38 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: Dog Gone
You hit the nail on the head.
43 posted on 08/23/2002 8:12:12 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative
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To: Common Tator
Anyone who has been half way around the block knows that Davis is likely saving the best scandals until just weeks before the election. Bet the farm that both Bush and Davis know what other skeletons are in Bill Simon's business closet. Bush does not want any media pictures of he and Simon to be in the presses hands when the other scandals break. There would be the stories that Bush knew what Simon had done, and still appeared with him.

That's quite possible. Gray Davis is very serious about running in 2004 for the WH. He knows a big win this year will be all he needs to be right in the thick of the 2004 invisible primary. He's waiting for the right time to drop the big bombshells.

45 posted on 08/23/2002 8:15:42 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative
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To: Common Tator; Coop; ElkGroveDan; StoneColdGOP; section9; Dahoser; Scholastic; wirestripper; ...
Does anyone really think the last scandal concerning Bill Simon has been revealed? People who do shady crooked deals don't do just one and quit. They do lots of them. Anyone who has been half way around the block knows that Davis is likely saving the best scandals until just weeks before the election. Bet the farm that both Bush and Davis know what other skeletons are in Bill Simon's business closet...Just remember on election day, that Gray Davis could not have been re-elected without Bill Simon's help.

This is nothing more than a crock of crapola which you have spouted out. Such uninformed disinformation from an alleged Republican does more to help Davis get re-elected than the Democraps could hope to do. Simon has never been accused of doing any "crooked deals"! Simon was not personally implicated in the $74 million judgment against his firm instigated by a former convicted drug dealing felon who worked for Gray Davis and his dirty tricks campaign. Simon doesn't have anything to hide. There are no skeletons in his closet. He has always been the Republican's best hope for defeating Davis. If he fails, it will be thanks to wimpy Republicans who foolishly counseled Bush to sit out this election and write off his campaign as somehow "dead". Funny that you have failed to bring up Davis's innumerable campaign and corruption scandals that are worse than anything Simon has ever been alleged to have done.
46 posted on 08/23/2002 8:16:27 AM PDT by rightwing2
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To: rightwing2
I hope Simon wins, and I don't think he deserved the judges verdict, but it would be nuts for Bush to be on stage with him. Simon will just have to make do and hope for the best. He should certainly fire his campaign manager or kick him in the shin.
47 posted on 08/23/2002 8:16:36 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: rightwing2
abandoning the Simon campaign over one bad poll

And there is the flaw in your thinking. Simon has run a Pi&& Poor campaign almost from the beginning.

The President has only so much political clout and should not waste it on those who shoot themselves in the rear.

48 posted on 08/23/2002 8:18:08 AM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: wirestripper
anything that is a negative and get's alot of press.

You cannot beat a incumbant this way.

How do you beat an incumbent when the media will not give his opponent any air time other then for negative events and occurrences. Where is the news about endorsements? Where is the Fairness?

All you "Dont get me wrong I want Simon to win too.. BUT!!!!!" .. What a joke you people are...
49 posted on 08/23/2002 8:18:48 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: Coop; Dog Gone
Bush lost the NH primary partly because he stayed away from a primary debate in NH because he had made a long-ago-arranged commitment to the VT GOP to participate in their large annual fundraiser. Many NH voters (my wife and mother-in-law included) were upset that he didn't show.

Bush tries to keep his word.

50 posted on 08/23/2002 8:19:05 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative
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To: rightwing2
you live in CA. I trust your judgement a lot better than some cheerleader who lives in Florida. Bush is a fool to disrespect simon. If Simon loses it will probably be by a small margin. The blueblood country club liberals of the republican party like bush, don't give a damn. Their attitude is 'let them eat cake'. As for me, I am turning a cold shoulder towards all the republicans like bush, meaning I won't vote for them, I encourage all other conservatives to do the same.

51 posted on 08/23/2002 8:20:53 AM PDT by Red Jones
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To: rightwing2
IF Simon succeeds to have the ruling changed next week, Bush will really look the political opportunist fair-weather-friend.

Also I am surprised, Bush always has sold out the country to "hispanics" before, why not now again?

52 posted on 08/23/2002 8:21:16 AM PDT by flamefront
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To: NormsRevenge
You can blame the lack of fair press on his campaign staff. Fohng or whatever his name is! He/they are incompetent! They have missed no opportunity to shoot themselves in the foot. Everyone knows it, and it is dissapointing.
53 posted on 08/23/2002 8:28:27 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: vbmoneyspender; Coop; section9
Like Chris said, no one here will defend Bush's hiding that story-- especially since it would have been easily diffused by November. It was the hiding part that hurt, too, not just the incident in Maine. All that bringing it up here does is reinforce how dumb it was for Simon to do what he did in his campaign this summer. I think even Bush recognizes it was dumb of him to hide the incident in 2000.

Chris is also right that many loyal Republicans would happily chat about the blunders of the 2000 Bush campaign-- the one where he lost the popular vote (a loss, which, if repeated, will cause Simon to lose in CA since there's no such thing as an EC for state races). Gore's 48 hour barnstorm while Bush napped hurt immeasurably. There were other screw-ups as well. The debates were the only thing that got Bush back on track after a series of blunders.

Maybe Simon can make equal use of the debates.

54 posted on 08/23/2002 8:29:54 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative
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To: section9
Kudos to Bush for sending a message to Simon: no Bozos need apply.

It takes one to know one. (BoZo that IS!)
55 posted on 08/23/2002 8:39:49 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: rightwing2
I know it is hard for many to believe but Simon is an incompetent bozo - not a viable candidate. If he weren’t a bozo he would not have allowed the fraud trial to occur during his campaign (can Simon spell continuance?) Maybe we republicans in California should require some elected public office and campaign experience from our candidates for state and national offices.
56 posted on 08/23/2002 8:41:33 AM PDT by CHUCKfromCAL
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To: Red Jones
You live in CA. I trust your judgement a lot better than some cheerleader who lives in Florida. Bush is a fool to disrespect simon. If Simon loses it will probably be by a small margin. The blueblood country club liberals of the republican party like bush, don't give a damn. Their attitude is 'let them eat cake'. As for me, I am turning a cold shoulder towards all the republicans like bush, meaning I won't vote for them, I encourage all other conservatives to do the same.

In the near future, many wont need much encouragement.., and many others are already there....

57 posted on 08/23/2002 8:42:36 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: NormsRevenge
Bill Simon's non-campaign

From the Washington times, July 18th

What can we say about Bill Simon, the Republican gubernatorial candidate in California? He makes every mistake, and then some. In November, we can write a postmortem on why Mr. Simon lost to Gov. Gray Davis. Or we can go public now, hoping someone will fix the mess.

After all, Mr. Davis has been a miserable governor. Even California, liberal as it is, deserves better. Mr. Simon, you recall, was the surprise winner in California's Republican primary. He defeated Richard Riordan, the White House favorite. Unfortunately, all the president's men failed in their due diligence. The former Los Angeles mayor self-destructed.

Mr. Simon's first mistake last year was hiring Matt Fong's campaign team. You may remember Mr. Fong. As California state treasurer, he was favored to defeat Barbara Boxer. She remains California's unimpressive junior senator. That's because something strange happened on the way to Mr. Fong's easy win. His campaign advisers forgot to define him. So the Boxer camp did, with help from Mr. Fong's own campaign team. Running Mr. Fong for senator in the nation's largest state, they defined him as a mama's boy. Their signature television spot was an endorsement from Mr. Fong's mother. Now, they're back. Their primary spots for Mr. Simon were not much better: A talking head who removed his glasses for drama (how original). Mr. Simon's signature television spot called for cutting the state's capital-gains tax (as if anyone cared).

How, then, did Mr. Simon win?

Mr. Simon long ago was endorsed by Rudy Giuliani. (Mr. Giuliani held a grudge because liberal Mr. Riordan had refused to back him over Hillary Clinton.) Suddenly, after September 11, Mr. Giuliani was an asset to Mr. Simon, whose campaign then used Mr. Giuliani to introduce Mr. Simon to the Republican electorate. More importantly, Mr. Riordan faithfully and systematically alienated that Republican electorate. And, finally, negative TV ads on Mr. Riordan saturated the Republican electorate. They were funded not by Mr. Simon, who never planned to win (Mr. Simon merely was laying the groundwork for a future statewide race), but by Mr. Davis, who spent $7 million to savage Mr. Riordan on Republican issues. Mr. Davis did what Mr. Simon refused to do — confront Mr. Riordan. But Mr. Davis' ads cleverly hid the required legal disclaimer, so there was no anti-Davis backlash among Republicans.

At that point, California Secretary of State Bill Jones would have won the primary. But Mr. Jones, ever a casualty of his stupid switch from George W. Bush to John McCain after New Hampshire, could not raise campaign money. He spent all of $200,000 on TV spots. So Mr. Simon then spent his millions and won by default. (In fact, Mr. Simon's campaign foolishly had Mr. Simon loan the campaign money. That means if he were governor, Mr. Simon would be paid back by "special interests." This helps neutralize his attack on Mr. Davis' aggressive fund raising. Why didn't Mr. Simon's campaign instruct him to give his campaign the money?)

Actually, Mr. Jones was just what the Republican Party needed to defeat Mr. Davis — a warm body. Instead, Republicans got Mr. Simon, and his baggage and campaign consultants who never helped empty the baggage.

Republicans in California are in disarray. Consider the president's go-to guy, Gerald Parsky. He feuds with Party Chairman Shawn Steel over party reorganization. Who cares? Don't they want to win an election? What an opportunity for Republicans. Mr. Davis has high negatives and awful ballot numbers. He's just plain unpopular. But when Mr. Riordan lost the March 5 primary, Mr. Simon thought he — Mr. Simon — won.

Since then, it has been downhill for Mr. Simon. While Mr. Davis struggled with a $20 billion-plus deficit, Mr. Simon was hardly visible. Worse, there was no concerted attack on Mr. Davis. Apparently, it never occurred to Mr. Simon's high command to orchestrate surrogate assaults to keep Mr. Davis off-balance. Instead, Mr. Simon's top-heavy campaign added layers of even more "senior strategists." It seemed like an old-age home, except some of Mr. Simon's senior advisers are junior, especially in campaign experience.

Mr. Simon's campaign endlessly reorganizes. Four campaign managers in four months. No wonder. How do you manage a campaign without a strategy or plan?

Why doesn't he see the obvious? How can he attack Mr. Davis for mismanagement? Indeed, Mr. Simon's on-again, off-again TV campaign is quixotic. There is no theme, no message. Mr. Simon's TV budget? It's even less credible than Mr. Simon's campaign polls. After all, remember Dan Lungren? He spent $30 million to lose to Mr. Davis in 1998. His campaign polls always showed the race as "close" and "within a few points."

Meanwhile, Mr. Simon remains on defense. He never decisively answered predictable attacks on his involvement in a failed S&L. It's as if his campaign never heard of Charles Keating.

When Mr. Simon was asked to release his tax returns, as former Republican governors George Deukmejian and Pete Wilson did, Mr. Simon's inept handlers said they would check with his accountants — in New Jersey. Now, the IRS is suing Mr. Simon's accountants for alleged tax scams. That gives new legs to past attacks on Mr. Simon, who remains bogged down defending himself. The campaign touts Mr. Simon's business success but refuses to document it. This is amateur hour.

Mr. Simon may be an honest and decent man. But without media-savvy campaign advisers to direct him, what happens? His conflicted press operation yields this result on the television news: Mr. Simon looks like he's caught with his hands in the proverbial cookie jar.

Last year, Mr. Simon could have squared away his finances. Instead, his campaign advisers avoided asking him tough questions. They are nice people who make the candidate feel good. Our guess is that Mr. Simon did not come clean with them. They and he agreed — don't ask, don't tell. Rich guys should know better, even before Enron, Adelphia and WorldCom.

And now, we see the consequences of Team Simon's unpreparedness. Asked this week whether he had paid California income taxes, Mr. Simon could not answer. Then, he called the reporter back to say he had. By all accounts, Mr. Simon's campaign has had major problems with message and its press operation. Yet, in the latest curious development, Mr. Simon has named the head of his troubled communications shop as the new day-to-day campaign manager.

The White House raised $5 million for Mr. Simon. Now, it promises another $15 million if Mr. Simon's campaign shapes up. What does that mean? That could be money down the drain unless Mr. Simon really cleans house. Who is in charge?

And what happens when Mr. Simon loses? Mr. Simon's original core group of lucky incompetents will blame the White House. And Republican "moderates" will blame abortion, a non-issue in this campaign. Everyone loses here, except Mr. Simon's well-paid campaign bumblers and Gray Davis. Mr. Simon was never ready for prime time, but he could have been prepped. Maybe he still can.

There's still time to win this one.

If I did not get enough formatting in this, I apologize. I am not good at it. The point of this being, this article does not even touch on the latest Simon scandal.

58 posted on 08/23/2002 8:43:55 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: wirestripper
If I believed everything the media printed and broadcast (even the "Good Guys"), I'd never leave my bunker :-)

See Ya November 6th at the Simon Celebration!!!
59 posted on 08/23/2002 8:46:39 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Good luck Norm! I pray for California daily...........
60 posted on 08/23/2002 8:49:01 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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