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Fox News Channel takes out ad condemning CNN for buying al-Qaida videotapes
sfgate.com ^ | 22 August 2002 | DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer

Posted on 08/22/2002 4:00:31 PM PDT by Darlin'

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:40:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: sarasmom
First of all, let me just say I'm a little fuzzy on where all these questions are coming from given my two basic assertions - which you've ignored - but I will answer them anyway.

Why do you think they should be free to spew unsubtantiated vile under the cover of "free and impartial journalism"?

They should be able to - as should any one of us - express any opinion they want as long as its not defamatory. 1st Amendment. For example, if they believe the Presidents foreign policy is shortsighted and opportunistic, they have a right to say it. They do not, however, have a right to say the President has an IQ of 50 or that Dick Cheney is an alien from outer space, since that's defamatory (i.e. can be proved to be untrue).

Should the "press" continue to enjoy special "free speech rights", when they eschew responcibilty?

Your question is meaningless, since they don't enjoy any special rights - atleast not from a legalistic standpoint. The fact that we as a society tend to give the media a pass when they say things that we wouldn't have given a pass for to a private citizen, does not bestow upon the media any special rights.

If I prove malice on the part of the "press", can I expect lawfull corrective actions and penalties?

If you can prove defamation or any other crime, then I would expect so, yes.

Hopefully that does it. I have to say, you've piqued my interest somewhat. I'm very curious to see where all this is leading so if you have anything further to add, I will respond, tomorrow after work.. Good night for now.

41 posted on 08/22/2002 9:02:09 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: AM2000
CNN shouldn't have lied about not paying for them. Having said that, so what if they did? You can buy almost anything for enough money in that part of the world.. why shouldn't Western reporters (in this case, from CNN) take advantage of that?

The real question is, what did they buy for what reason? They bought a snuff film of a dog to show that Al Queda had chemical weapons? Was this really a shock or news to you that they had this capacity? As for the payment of it, if the US military had it, it wouldn't have been sold or released for that matter. This was an Al Queda tape, so how does someone not associated with Al Quidea get his hands on it? And it these greedy journalists love seeing dogs get wasted, hey, you can see a babys skin pealed off its body...well its not made yet, but for a post production fee of say $50k, we can get the final editing done.

Sound far fetched? Remember it was CNN that created the story of Vietnam troops using nearve gas on Vietnamese civilians using no proof, only one nut jobs mental regression. They now need hardcore proof. How do we know that this dog snuff film wasn't made just for CNN sweeps week? They have been bleeding ratings and viewers to FOX. They have made up storys in the past, and I do not put it past them creating a story for cheap ratings.

42 posted on 08/22/2002 9:44:41 PM PDT by Bommer
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To: Darlin'
CNN - Caliph News Network.
43 posted on 08/22/2002 10:11:39 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: Darlin'
Think someone could scan and post the ad? I don't get the Times...I'm guessing most Freepers don't either.
44 posted on 08/22/2002 11:09:05 PM PDT by July 4th
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To: AM2000
Should the "press" continue to enjoy special "free speech rights", when they eschew responcibilty?

Your question is meaningless, since they don't enjoy any special rights - atleast not from a legalistic standpoint. The fact that we as a society tend to give the media a pass when they say things that we wouldn't have given a pass for to a private citizen, does not bestow upon the media any special rights.

You don't think NYT v. Sullivan gives the press special rights? And as a matter of practice, don't you know that reporters, for example, are given deference that wouldn't be shown to you in trial proceedings regarding obligation to give testimony?

45 posted on 08/23/2002 5:38:20 AM PDT by WL-law
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To: Darlin'
It aint the buyin' it's the lyin'........but then that's what CNN is all about and I doubt anyone at all was surprised that they would lie.
46 posted on 08/23/2002 7:34:06 AM PDT by OldFriend
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To: AM2000
I agree with you that we who live in a free country should be allowed to do what we want with our own money. But does that mean we can give money to terrorist organizations?
CNN has possibly been very irresponsible by giving money to terrorists. I say possibly because we don't know their source. The fact is, they may have given money to a terrorist in order to get the tapes. This is immoral in that their money may go to killing more Americans. Shouldn't they be concerned with that? Shouldn't they at least state that their source is not linked to terror if they choose not to reveal his/her identity?
47 posted on 08/23/2002 7:50:54 AM PDT by wannabpoolshark
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To: AM2000
CNN was justified in buying those tapes because it's their money, not yours or mine.

In my opinion, the problem for CNN, is not whether they were justified or not since it is their money, but that their so called "credibility" is in question. Look at the tabloids such as National Enquirer and Star. Even when they DO publish accurate newsworthy stories, no one believes them because they regularly pay their sources. It is only when the info can be "independantly confirmed" does anyone buy their stories. People will say and do anything for a buck. Fraudulent tapes can be easily made if the perp knows he can get big bucks for it. Particularly in that part of the world, that kind of money goes a long way. By paying such a huge sum, CNN has joined the ranks of the tabloid, and lying about it even further guarantees that comparison.

Where the money went is a whole other issue and a very sensitive one at that. If there is even the slightest chance that such a large sum of American money ended up in the enemy's hand over this, which basically is a non-story, then I feel they have aided and abetted the enemy. Had this happened with a conservative organization, the dems would be marching on Congress right now demanding a full investigation.

I do understand the fact that you are trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, and in most cases, I try to be non-judgemental until I know all the facts. However in this case, we are fighting for our lives and throwing cash in the direction of those who want to destroy us is so totally irresponsible, it shouldn't even be considered.

48 posted on 08/23/2002 8:25:48 AM PDT by BrynS728
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To: Mat_Helm
In paying for the tape, CNN has aided and abetted al qaeda. CNN has shown time and again that they are not with the U.S. but rather is against the U.S.
49 posted on 08/23/2002 9:53:08 AM PDT by TennTuxedo
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To: Darlin'
Not to be paranoid or anything, but did CNN actually say how much it paid, or did it not deny the leaked number? Last time I heard there was info leaked abput an amount around 30 grand. What does around mean? I'd like to know how the exact amount that was paid. And did CNN give these people anything else? And why isn't the Fourht Estate raising holy heck about CNN lying about the payment in the first place?
50 posted on 08/23/2002 9:58:15 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Darlin'
I'm sorry, but FOX would have done the same thing had they the opportunity. Every video , still shot, etc., is paid for, by all of the news channels. And FOX/FX TV is among the worst on cable in terms of cheap sensationalism. They are on no higher ground than CNN or any of 'em.
51 posted on 08/23/2002 10:50:12 AM PDT by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: WarSlut
CNN SAID the other night that they paid for the tapes! Also, you cannot be serious about expecting them to reveal the source...unless I misunderstand you, you are saying Turner is an anti-American MUSLIM sympathizer?? Hardly! and, unless I am mistaken, I thought he sold CNN.
52 posted on 08/23/2002 10:53:47 AM PDT by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: xzins
FOFLO> You're mighty clever. :)
53 posted on 08/23/2002 10:55:08 AM PDT by Darlin'
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To: mewzilla
Well, I suppose it's entirely possible the tape was purchased in a currency other than US dollars, perhaps Euros. As for, " why isn't the Fourht Estate raising holy heck about CNN lying about the payment in the first place? ".... that's a rhetorical question... right ?
54 posted on 08/23/2002 11:01:05 AM PDT by Darlin'
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To: Darlin'
Why thank you.

Joke: What do you have when you've got Hillary Clinton and Christiana Amanpour in the same room?


(Answer: 2 _itches, not just one...)


I love the simplicity of it.
55 posted on 08/23/2002 11:05:31 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins
FOFL... were they separated at birth ?
56 posted on 08/23/2002 11:08:07 AM PDT by Darlin'
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To: Darlin'
Yeah, Siamese. One didn't get the brain......and neither did the other one.
57 posted on 08/23/2002 11:13:35 AM PDT by xzins
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To: Darlin'
Yeah, Siamese. One didn't get the brain......and neither did the other one.
58 posted on 08/23/2002 11:13:38 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins
Yes, but they both got a double helping of the nasty disposition.
59 posted on 08/23/2002 11:23:41 AM PDT by Darlin'
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To: Darlin'

60 posted on 08/23/2002 11:52:07 AM PDT by drc43
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