Another Man Down in the War Against Fathers

FatherMag.com ^ | August 22, 2002 | Roger F. Gay

[RogerFGay]

Do you have death by firearms on the mind this morning?

Are you going to offer your thoughts on a fair, just system for raising the children of divorced people, or are you going to keep dodging by darting into these silly comments about shooting stupid people?

I'm beginning to guess that you haven't read the article that is the subject of discussion in this thread. And if you're not interested in a system of fairness and justice defined by Constitutional principles, we're not going to be on the same track. You're a citizen of some other country, or should be.

[Mr. K]

I got a story for anone who is interested- In New York State I filed for divorce. My ex was diagnosed mentally ill and the COURTS OWN doctor recommended I have SOLE custody and she not even be allowed overnight visitation.

After that she insisted on a trial and bashed herself in the head and had me arrested on assault charges and removed fromthe home. The children witnessed it. I also had eyewitnesses that I was not even home at the time. This backfired on her and the kids began living with me for the next 2 years.

She had a 15 year history of child abuse and neglect, and had her children taken away from her in the past (before I met her) by CPS.

Her two older boys are diagnosed with behavioral problem and one was arrested on a felony charge.

One of my daughters was HOSPITALIZED FOR NEGLECT DURING THE TRIAL after going to her house for a weekend visitation.

So..

New York State Supreme Court Judge John O'Donnel took them out of my home and gave them back to the diagnosed psychopath and ordered me to pay almost $2000 a month child support AFTER I had already filed bankruptcy due the the arrest and loss of my job and all the money she stole.

[RogerFGay]

I believe they were trying to arrest him over the child support. They shot him over holding a family hostage and attempting to shoot the police. Slight difference.

Not much. He was trying to escape police who had broken into his home to capture him, because he was allegedly behind in his child support payments. Everything else followed that.

[Home By Dark]

=>And if you're not interested in a system of fairness and justice defined by Constitutional principles, we're not going to be on the same track. You're a citizen of some other country, or should be.


This is not coherent.

[RogerFGay]

And that's not an unusual story.

[MEGoody]

Morales shoots at people, takes hostages, and he's the 'poster child' for wronged dads? I hope that's not the best they can do.

[RogerFGay]

Are you jealous?

[MEGoody]

Um, Roger, are you having a nervous breakdown? You keep repeating yourself.

[RogerFGay]

So that's it then. As far as you're concerned, there's no turning back from the Soviet Socialist States of America. The fact that we operated under constitutional principles for 200 years doesn't prove a thing to you. Your mind is made up.

[MEGoody]

"He was trying to escape police"

It IS a crime to resist arrest. Add to that the hostage taking and shooting at the cops, and this guy is a candidate for getting thrown under the jail instead of in it.

[MEGoody]

Jealous of what? LOL Are you smoking something?

[drjimmy]

You have somehow turned my rejection of your support for men who take children hostage and murder people in courtrooms into supposed support for a "police state." Shall I type more slowly so you can understand better?
I
have
no
sympathy
for
men
who
take
children
hostage
and
murder
people
in
courtrooms,
no
matter
how
upset
they
are
about
having
to
pay
child
support
to
rotten
mothers.

By all means, please explain to reading impaired people like myself why you sympathize with men who take children hostage to help those kids know what these poor men are going through.

[martin gibson]

Not one penny goes to past due child support. He lives in his car in order to keep the payments up.

Wow...It's almost like the state had some kind of vested interest in creating a permanent slave caste out of white males during their peak earning years...

[RGSpincich]

here they obviously see nothing wrong with shooting a father over child support

Never mind the fact that I did not address the issues of this particular case. I see that the so called "father" did shoot at the officers and held a family hostage. You choose to ignore that.

And as usual you throw your support behind the person committing the criminal acts because it fits your agenda. You and Roger seem to have a slipping grasp on reality. Does he believe in alien crop circles, too?

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

I support the earlier statement that Mr. Gay (interesting name, isn't it), is a leftist troll here portraying supporters of father's rights as wackos who support a guy who 'entered a house in the neighborhood and held a family of four hostage for several hours'. So in months ahead, father's rights advocates can all be tarred with this brush. The fact that he is dumping this ridiculous 'Constitutionalist' nonsense on a conservative website is also a typical disruptor technique. It is too bad that so many suckers are falling for this garbage.

[Cultural Jihad]

CJ threatened to sick the FBI, the CIA, and the forum administrator on me because she disagrees.

Your so-called "professionalism" apparently includes lies and libel, all of which don't reflect well on you or your cause.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Your so-called "professionalism" apparently includes lies and libel, all of which don't reflect well on you or your cause.

I think that Mr. Gay may be confusing you with me, but it would be a lie then too, since I said that this kind of garbage could get the Feds on this website, and I pinged the moderator. I did not say that I would call the Feds on him, but I am certainly getting tempted.

[FormerLurker]

They shot him over holding a family hostage and attempting to shoot the police.

Not quite, as he wasn't holding a family hostage when he was shot. I don't really condone the actions of this guy as far as that goes, nor do I condone him shooting at cops.

What I am saying though is that the original action of breaking into his house with guns over child support is what started this whole thing. If there WERE an avenue that a person could take that would lead to a proper and just settlement of child support matters, then this person more than likely would not have reached the point of desperation, as was obviously the case here..