Another Man Down in the War Against Fathers

FatherMag.com ^ | August 22, 2002 | Roger F. Gay

[Don Joe]

"Thanks for posting this. My brother pays $300 per month for the rest of his life for kids that are over 20. This is a lifetime interest payment made to the state of California. Not one penny goes to past due child support. He lives in his car in order to keep the payments up. I guess they would call him a dead beat dad."

In the last century, they used the word "kulak". Stalin was more merciful, though. He simply had them killed, instead of sentencing them to life at hard labor.

[Don Joe]

"What about the child molester who himself was molested as a child? By all means we must support him, because after all he was just trying to say to his victims 'Do you now understand how it feels?' Catalino Morales and the others described in this article are not real men. Not even close."

So what you're saying basically is that instead of preventing the first problem, we should simply continue killing those it creates, i.e., the second problem.

Makes sense -- if you're a bounty hunter.

[Don Joe]

"I think you mean drivel."

"Thank you, I do."

Having examined your traffic, I must say that I concur.

[Don Joe]

"I assume from your failure to answer the question, and repeated whiney posts about the woes and sorrows of divorced dads that you have NO idea how the children of divorced people should be raised."

He answered your question in the only way it was possible to answer it in a rational manner.

Your question was tantamount to, "Where in the Constitution does it say that husbands can't beat their wives?"

[drjimmy]

What I am saying--basically--is that the writer who tries to gin up sympathy for men who take children hostage so that they "now understand how it feels," is no different from the liberals who want us to "understand" that child molesters and terrorists do what they do because someone else has driven them to do it.

[Constitutions Grandchild]

My divorce was not endless days in court, it was one. I worked full time and managed to read over the documents and decide when something was fair, or not. Guys can't just go bury their heads in the sand. Why were you paying for her attorney's fees? That's ridiculous! I paid for it all, but then I'm ridiculous.

When you realize you're dealing with someone who is having problems, you can't afford to lay down on the job. It was hard. He was having many, many problems, but I knew I didn't want my son to grow up without a father, warts and all. Child support didn't always come, and I had to freeze bank accounts and register with the Division of Child Support Enforcement. Had to get his attention a couple of times, and he has been out of the stockbrokering biz for a year now and working two part-time jobs to make ends meet.

I let him move in to the home I bought on my own after the divorce 9 months ago so he could keep body and soul together AND MAKE HIS SUPPORT PAYMENTS to our son. Our son is what's important here. I got another mouth to feed in him and another in his adorable 65-lb. Irish Setter. If someone had told me 35 years ago, I'd be living in sin, I'd have thought they were on the fifth ring of Saturn. Adults make good decisions for their children, and when one falls and can't, the other must. Son is doing well, Dad is on the mend, I hope, and me, well, you do what's right.

[amused]

Him and CJ always gloat when the state takes kids from their parents, and here they obviously see nothing wrong with shooting a father over child support either...

RGS tirelessly shot down every factual inaccuracy purported by ideologues who hate CPS and would use any vehicle they could get their hands on to shout their message. They chose poorly in the Christine case and had their innuendo, lies and misleaidng info shredded as only FR can do. The Christines did abuse their kids, got their day in court and lost both cases. The only joy he took was proving what liars many of the defenders were and that the Christine children were safe with their grandparents.

Now if you are in the camp that feels that it is preferable for children to be property of the parents as opposed to the state and that we must suffer child abuse as the price for having the liberty of raising children as a parent sees fit, I can sympathize but not agree with you.

But then again with this guy who shoots at cops and takes families hostage, I think you guys have another "champion" for the cause.

[Don Joe]

"HE HELD A FAMILY HOSTAGE! (Yeah, I'm yelling.) This guy shouldn't be a poster boy for any cause, except maybe the National Organization for Women. Any woman would be a fool to stay with this creep."

So in other words, when there is an ongoing rash of postal workers "going postal" -- so many in fact that the term grew legs and became a colloquialism -- it's sheer folly to try to examine why the Postal Service creates that many flipout cases?

[monday]

""Cannot" for a lot of people translates to "won't bother"."

I have a question for you. If you were ordered to pay a million dollars a month in child support could you? For some men $500 a month might as well be a million. They can't do it. They don't have the skills, the education, the work ethic etc.etc.

Instead they get cought in a cycle of falure that they can never escape. I agree that men should not have children if they are not prepared to support them but many do any way. If you corner a man and give him no hope of ever putting his head above water you can expect some less than desirable outcomes.

Its unfortunate but without hope human nature can create highly unstable people. It would actually be a kindness to lock them up and throw away the key.

[Don Joe]

"There should also be stiff penalties for not cooperating with visitation or joint custody."

But there are!

Women are told repeatedly that they should let the fathers visit with their children.

What exactly do you expect the courts to do? Surely you don't expect them to force women to do something they don't want to do!

[amused]

A case like yourself Mr. K would much better serve the father's rights movement then some guy who takes hostages.

I am sorry to hear the unbeleivible ordeal you have been put through. I love my parents but what my mother put my father through can only look good when compared to what my stepmother did.

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

"Well said" my freeper freind "well said"

[amused]

The article claims there will be a predictable variation in the reaction. But since it obviously will piss off a whole lot of men to the extreme, there's a bit of insanity on the part of those who continue to harrass and provoke them, don't you think?

So this is predictable and therefore partially justified?

[Don Joe]

"New York State Supreme Court Judge John O'Donnel took them out of my home and gave them back to the diagnosed psychopath and ordered me to pay almost $2000 a month child support AFTER I had already filed bankruptcy due the the arrest and loss of my job and all the money she stole."

Allow me to sum up the collective argument of all the left wing feminist "conservative" "men" who pollute these threads:

Shut up and take it. Shut up and pay. You play, you pay. A man has an obligation to support his kids. Stop whining and pay the damn money, you sick loser.

[RogerFGay]

So in other words, when there is an ongoing rash of postal workers "going postal" -- so many in fact that the term grew legs and became a colloquialism -- it's sheer folly to try to examine why the Postal Service creates that many flipout cases?

I think what's being said is that once a postal worker goes postal, that justifies the cause. See -- the argument goes -- that creep deserves the treatment he got.

[Don Joe]

"I support the earlier statement that Mr. Gay (interesting name, isn't it)"

Oh, aren't we the droll one today, Lucy...