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Pretending immigration isn't an issue
Townhall.com ^ | August 20, 2002 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 08/20/2002 12:25:19 PM PDT by gubamyster

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To: Melas
Now, can you explain to me why that level of spite and vitriol is called for? Do you always get so insulting when anyone disagrees with you?

Let me answer. Some folks that are able to see what's going on are getting angry. This invasion of millions has been going on for many many years. And year after year the politicians and our so called leaders either ignore this, or actually encourage it. When I see my country being over run by these millions, I have a tendency to become angry at our leaders.

These illegal are breaking our laws, defecating on our sovereignty, murdering our cops, bringing in drugs, choking off our social services meant for citizens, taking jobs, driving down wages, driving up taxes, etc.....

Are you starting to see why some that care for this country are not just happy sitting around and discussing this in a quite, relaxed manner? Look at my screen name.. It sums up what millions of other American's feel.

81 posted on 08/20/2002 4:17:37 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Melas
You call that "spite" and "vitriol"?

I don't think you'd recognize "spite" and "vitriol" any better than you'd recognize logic.

But then what kind of a response did you expect in return from those you would call the "rabid anti-immigration crowd?"

Seems like you were trying to insight a flame war with your invitation to "start the name-calling", weren't you?

82 posted on 08/20/2002 4:23:38 PM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: 4Freedom
No, that was just recoginition of how quickly these threads sink to petty spite. It's a very emotional issue, and it doesn't seem like it can ever be discussed rationally without one party or the other getting personal.

Perhaps rabid was an unfortunate choice of words on my part. If that's what lowered the debate, my apologies.

83 posted on 08/20/2002 4:27:47 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Yes, there is a very good possibility that there is an agenda here. In fact, I'm very sure of it.

Hopefully, conservatives will be able to pick up a few more seats come November. In actuality, I have a feeling that Republicans are going to pick up five to ten seats in the House and three or four Senate seats. If things don't change for the better after that, you'll know once and for all where the concerns lie.

84 posted on 08/20/2002 4:29:17 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: gubamyster
BTTT
85 posted on 08/20/2002 4:33:19 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Joe, your views are well known. That's fine. No problem. However, I happen to disagree with your views on immigration. If mere disagreement

I voted for Bush knowing that he was not destined to be a hardliner on immigration like Buchanan or Malkin. I don't think it's a stretch to assume that I'm not the only Bush supporter who knew what he getting when he cast the vote. I'll agree with you that a large number of people are upset about the immigration issue, but I think you should equally concede that a lot of people are not.

86 posted on 08/20/2002 4:46:52 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas
No, individually speaking, most people are. Most are not educated enough to realize where and why it's happening. Some are apathetic, some are dumbed-down, and some are hooked on entertainment and sports. However, deep-down, they care, and when problems arise in the future, they will be concerned. Unfortunately, too many people have the foresight of a gnat, only concerned about tomorrow.
87 posted on 08/20/2002 4:57:50 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: FreedomFriend
No, individually speaking, most people are. Most are not educated enough to realize where and why it's happening. Some are apathetic, some are dumbed-down, and some are hooked on entertainment and sports. However, deep-down, they care, and when problems arise in the future, they will be concerned. Unfortunately, too many people have the foresight of a gnat, only concerned about tomorrow.

If I didn't know better, I would swear you were trying to imply that anyone who doesn't see it your way is either uneducated, hooked on sports, or suffering from a lack of forsight.

You honestly don't believe there is any honest disagreement to your position do you?

88 posted on 08/20/2002 5:13:44 PM PDT by Melas
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To: gubamyster
Nothing is more unpopular with voters than amnesty (which Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.V., called "sheer lunacy"). If the powers that be in the Republican Party don't realize this, they are out-of-touch with the grass roots.

Calling the RepublicRats "out of touch with the grass roots" is being charitable. They DON'T CARE what we think! Every poll shows that a large majority - as high as 90% - of Americans don't want more immigration. But the rich global elites that control the RepublicRat and DemocRat parties need cheap foreign serfs to maintain their privileged lifestyles, so that's what we get - more immigrants!

When a government no longer heeds the wishes of a majority of its citizens, it has become a tyranny.

89 posted on 08/20/2002 5:21:24 PM PDT by Arleigh
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To: Melas
You remind me of the captain of the Titanic.
90 posted on 08/20/2002 5:25:51 PM PDT by lawdog
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I've got news for you. The owner of this web site told me several weeks ago that, "immigration is no big concern of mine".

There is also a blanket ban on any posts referring to anything posted VDare.com!

92 posted on 08/20/2002 5:31:29 PM PDT by Arleigh
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To: Melas
I voted for Bush knowing that he was not destined to be a hardliner on immigration like Buchanan or Malkin. I don't think it's a stretch to assume that I'm not the only Bush supporter who knew what he getting when he cast the vote. I'll agree with you that a large number of people are upset about the immigration issue, but I think you should equally concede that a lot of people are not.

That's why we voted for Buchanan. He was the only one out there that had the guts enough to touch this ever escalating issue. Bush and Gore I don't think even mentioned it. To be honest, Bush seemed like a typical politician to us.

Look, I don't know about Texas, but the overwhelming majority of people in California are outraged at our politicians and the federal government for allowing this most dangerous issue, to continue, year after year. Remember, several years ago California voted 3 to 1 in favor of prop 187. That in itself tells the story here.....

In my opinion, there is no bigger threat to this country than this unchecked, unmanaged, out of control, immigration "free for all".

93 posted on 08/20/2002 5:39:16 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Tempest
Fine if you guys want to be uncompromising and have NO chance of ever getting at least part of your political beliefs realized then stay stubborn and kill your own party.

The RepublicRat Party is MY OWN party? LOL! The RepublicRats are just a dumber version of the DemocRats. The RepublicRats are bought and owned by the rich corporate elites who have no patriotism. They sold out middle-class white conservatives years ago. (To be fair, the RepubicRat Party was ALWAYS the party of rich, East-Coast elitists. Goldwater and Reagan temporarily snatched it from them, until they woke up from their triple martini haze long enough to snatch it back.)

Anyone who identifies with the Socialistic RepublicRat party is no conservative and no patriot.

94 posted on 08/20/2002 5:40:56 PM PDT by Arleigh
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To: Arleigh
I would like to bump this

Calling the RepublicRats "out of touch with the grass roots" is being charitable. They DON'T CARE what we think! Every poll shows that a large majority - as high as 90% - of Americans don't want more immigration. But the rich global elites that control the RepublicRat and DemocRat parties need cheap foreign serfs to maintain their privileged lifestyles, so that's what we get - more immigrants!

When a government no longer heeds the wishes of a majority of its citizens, it has become a tyranny.

95 posted on 08/20/2002 5:41:12 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Orion
My country is doomed, either way. At least when the masses burn my land, destroy my house, rape my family, and kill me (ala Zimbabwe), I will have the satisfaction of knowing that I did not continue to vote for what I am receiving.

Exactly my sentiments! I was fooled for the very last time in 2000. I froze my butt off in front of the VP's mansion over the Florida vote. But I've finally wised up. Like you said, the GOP's the problem, not the solution.

96 posted on 08/20/2002 5:45:34 PM PDT by Arleigh
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To: Sabertooth
When I get those in the mail from the RNC, I use a marker to write my comments. I tell them that they are forgetting a very important issue - illegal immigration. I tell them that I will not donate a cent to them or to any candidate who will not address this issue. When they call on the phone I tell them the same thing, plus some other choice words about immigration and what it has done to California.
97 posted on 08/20/2002 5:47:39 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Melas
No, that was just recoginition of how quickly these threads sink to petty spite. It's a very emotional issue, and it doesn't seem like it can ever be discussed rationally without one party or the other getting personal.

In another decade or two, they won't be able to discuss the issue without one party or the other resorting to serious firepower.

At the rate things are going, America's 250th birthday will be celebrated in a much smaller territory - if at all.

98 posted on 08/20/2002 5:51:20 PM PDT by Arleigh
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To: Arleigh
There are some scary and disturbing agendas surrounding the Republican party and this site in regards to the ever escalating immigration issue.....There appears to be some real interest in favor of this invasion from a party that calls itself, patriotic and conservative.....I mean, even the people of California voted for proposition 187!
99 posted on 08/20/2002 5:53:03 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Did you notice what percentage of the vote Buchanan got? That is an accurate

Look, I don't know about Texas, but the overwhelming majority of people in California are outraged at our politicians and the federal government for allowing this most dangerous issue, to continue, year after year.

Which explains why the California US Senate delegation is moving heaven and Earth to end illegal immigration.

Oops, they aren't. Silly me.

Remember, several years ago California voted 3 to 1 in favor of prop 187.

Six years ago, to be exact. After Pete Wilson, who is the RINOest RINO in the state, became born-again on immigration, knowing that the initiative wouldn't survive judicial review and that he wouldn't have to actually enforce its provisions.

100 posted on 08/20/2002 5:53:43 PM PDT by Poohbah
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